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Ratagos thinks he's your father, & assorted

Type: 

Issue

Severity: 

Normal

Game version: 

Morrowind

Concerns: 

TR_Mainland

Found in Version: 

Status: 

Description: 

 
TR_m2_TT_1c
journal entry misspells “Shrine of Solitude” instead of “Shrine of Hindsight”

“MY CHILD”
Temple dialogue –
vanilla does call the PC “child” on a couple occasions (notably before joining), but nothing truly recurrent,
in TR there’s only one Temple questgiver and it’s my child this, my child that. Seriously, good luck finding a dialogue entry of his that doesn’t have it. Needs some cutting down regardless because of the too much, but should that sort of thing be kept up at all as a rule?
Reasons against:
- it’s not part of the Temple structure, only the top rank is Patriarch and even Saryoni is never called “father”
- other dialogue common to Temple questgivers calls the PC “brother” or “sister”. You don’t call someone child in one (every) line and a sibling on the next
- the Temple is still ancestor worship. It’s not like it wouldn’t make sense for them to project part of that back onto the power structure, but the Temple as a whole are children in front of the ancestors and mother Almalexia
- boring priest cliche, there are enough unsubtle links to Catholicism already and that’s not a flavorful one

Anyone want to make a case for it?

Other dialogue issues:

pilgrimage
"If these pilgrimages do not seem to your taste"
"if these do not suit you"
- holy matters referred to as subject to taste is inappropriate
"If you don't plan on traveling far"
- convenience concerns, same, should be worded differently

“You say you have already completed three pilgrimages? The Temple must indeed be your true calling. “
- entry must be repositioned above the two “Before your duties can begin“ or it’s useless

temple
"You're a member of House Indoril."
misattributed to T_Mw_Temple faction

vivec
"Lord Vivec is a lover of both words and deeds, and a master of weapons and poetry."
x4 entries all missing <25 conditions, block all the rest

TR_m3_Vono_Sarando (Gorne priest) missing Temple faction
 
 

Comments

Very nice catch and I agree

Templar Tribe's picture

Very nice catch and I agree the dialogue could use some stiffening up to reflect more of a hesitant opposition as well.  One of the main things that I've harped on about the dialogue in our mod is that a lot of the people treat you way to nicely, as opposed to how you are treated in vanilla. I think that there needs to be a little bit more of an ambiguity towards the player, even with the temple there should still be an  underlying sense of not trusting them, or perhaps even them needing to earn more respect. This really needs to be addressed in a lot  of dialogue trees however, and it might be better to wait until we are ready to redo some of the older content to fully expand on what needs to be done. 

I get that, but it still

Templar Tribe's picture

I get that, but it still falls into the same category of “overall atmosphere being tainted”.

On further examation there

Rot's picture

On further examation there are many issues with Ratagos’ dialogue as a whole, be it grammar or the fact that he hands over “drakes” as a reward for quests. Will need more extensive fixing in the main file.

(also the last quest still ends with “go to Necrom, the Holy City of the Dead, and report there that a cult of Molag Bal has been discovered” – beyond that unfinished)