Menaan NPCing

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  • Merged

Development Progress: 

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Description

!!IMPORTANT!!
LOAD the section file while working this claim. For this claim, that is here: http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/releasefiles/roryns-bluff-1658
PLACE all your new dialogue for common topics between the section file's placeholders. Check for: little advice, little secret, latest rumors, someone in particular, specific place, Background, my trade, any and all Greetings
Do NOT rename interiors. Instead, in your Merging Notes, specify any desired renames.
Give ALL newly created NPCs the map filter script. ( T_ScNpc_Mw_Map4)
NOT DOING THESE STEPS MAY RESULT IN YOUR CLAIM BREAKING WHEN MERGED!

References:
Interior claims, which includes descriptions of the NPCs dwelling in each:
http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/claims?field_claim_stage_tid_op=or&field_...

Mort's dropped work on dialogue, including some small quests:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O7baXXm8jrTCgaD3yiasW2qCnK-HX5aqYGJkhHHAl9A/edit?usp=sharing

And finally, a Map:

Comments

Needs before opening: --check

Kevaar's picture

Needs before opening:
--check if dialogue placeholders have been added to appropriate section files
--any miscellaneous concerns to do with merging the claimant's .esp (dialogue ordering/placeholders, ownerships, interior re-naming?)
--adding a filter to the claims/asset browsers for Menaan specifically, as well as the UESP map placement, would also be nice, but not necessary

Started working on the

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Started working on the dialogue and the NPCs as part of my showcase. The parts in bright red are TT's and Kevaar's suggestions and corrections to Mort's lines. The ones in dark red are my additions. There are some notes next to lines I wasn't exactly sure about.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dQMIg-9kL9uzPnfECBSIsrCVa4IQ-Qj5HE-HfTHuIhw/edit?usp=sharing
This is the first WIP spreadsheet. If someone has the time, it needs a quick review to point out major flaws and topics that could use more work.

If anyone needs editing permissions, leave a comment somewhere.

Line 47 of generic town

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Line 47 of generic town dialogue should be reworded from “I feel something odd about him” to

”I feel there is something odd about him,” or “I feel something is not right with him”. Maybe better still, “Many here view him with suspicion, I among them.”

As it is worded, the NPC is the odd one for his strange feelings.

Auto granted and betacomments

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Auto granted and betacomments:

 

These should be about the section rather than the NPCing:

 

ex_hlaalu_wall_end_01    Menaan (-3,-20)    -23040    -162112    256    "large gaps between wall and rock"    
ex_hlaalu_wall_curve_01    Menaan (-3,-20)    -21920    -162351    256    "large gaps between wall and rock"    
ex_hlaalu_pole_02    Roth Roryn (-4,-20)    -24845    -159839    387    "what is this?"    
TR_m4_menaan_int_8_flin    TR_Menaan Interior #8    4847    3414    15901    "make sure this has 'blocked' checked so the MCP option doesn't hide its poison effect"    
TR_m4_menaan_int_8_cookie    TR_Menaan Interior #8    4829    3431    15894    "maybe these too"    

TR_m4_menaan_9_parchment1    TR_Menaan Interior #9    5571    4107    11903    "lol. great stuff in there, exteriors not finished though"    
ex_hlaalu_wall_curve_01    Menaan (-3,-20)    -21504    -159776    256    "big texture seam here"   
T_De_SetHla_X_BalconyNarsis_02    Menaan (-3,-20)    -20415    -161169    542    "ugly"    

T_De_Var_Guarskin_01    Roth Roryn (-3,-21)    -17677    -164148    1083    "static banner"    
ex_hlaalu_steps_05    Roth Roryn (-3,-21)    -18037    -164410    557    "nice setup for silt strider but very awkward navigation to the ramp, around rocks and back alley of buildings"    
in_cavern_beam10    Menaan (-3,-20)    -19019    -163578    483    "ah, because you're supposed to go through this gate, not go around the rocks. not properly telegraphed, this spot needs work"    
ex_hlaalu_b_28    Roth Roryn (-3,-21)    -17786    -163934    418    "uneven bleeding into land"

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Copied the reply from Discord:

TR_m4_Nadras_Arvel00000000    TR_Menaan Interior #8    4548    3666    15815    "his greeting somewhat assumes you're on the other side of the fenced area? but can be talked to through it too"
If I understood it right, this should be fine.

TR_m4_Novor_Dals00000000    Menaan (-3,-20)    -20599    -161490    150    "this guy is hiding and stuck behind rocks and his batch of crates. is it a high Wander radius that got him there?"
Fixed, lowered the Wander radius.

TR_m4_Brennan00000000    TR_Menaan Interior 3    -45    164    -9    "getting Nerevarine prophecy on rumors from him, 100% of time"
Will get fixed by changing the cell names on merging.

Active_De_Bar_Door    TR_Menaan Interior #7    -130    -32    678    "may want to lock"
Should go to merging notes.

T_IngMine_Tektite_01    TR_Menaan Interior #9    5626    4070    12162    "jewels under no surveillance here, but they're cheap"    
Will add a guard to watch over these.

exquisite_amulet_01    TR_Menaan Interior #9    4970    3876    12469    "some unwatched valuables here too..."
in_hlaalu_door    TR_Menaan Interior #9    4992    3712    12224    "... should lock this door for that (still leaves access from roof and terrace)"
de_r_chest_01_trader_01    TR_Menaan Interior #6    4056    4290    15131    "no one here, locked?"    
hlaal_loaddoor_01    Menaan (-3,-20)    -21305    -161609    622    "needs lock?"

Should go to merging notes.

TR_m4_Menaan_int4_cellkey    TR_Menaan Interior 3    -36    55    599    "what does this open"    
In_Hlaalu_Door_01    TR_Menaan Interior 4    -232    -192    -136    "opened door with that key, but it's not the quest key, is it? must be from the interior, needs to be removed in merge notes"

Removed the old key, added my script to the new one.

TR_m4_Brennan00000000    TR_Menaan Interior 3    -41    151    -9    "psychic guard gets fight 100 when picking the key... but as could sneak pick the key, can also sneak out which makes it not a problem except for the awkwardness in that he can attack just as you step to the door and leave (because NPC can't follow or raise alarm). Can rely on ownership instead to make him attack only if detected, though that makes the quest harder unless his Alarm could be set to only attack and not report it" What happens with the actual quest key if it's picked before the assasin asks you about it? May want to remove the quest update from picking the key (or prevent journal entry if quest conditions not met) and only rely on player having the item in possession for later dialogue.
Will need some further thought put into the quest.

in_hlaalu_hall_corner_01    TR_Menaan Interior 4    -360    136    -136    "Engor is disabled under your nose when you give the key, should add screen fade or, better, make him sneak or cast invisibility first"
I'll make him cast invisibility, then disable after a while.

Fixed the remaining issues,

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Fixed the remaining issues, new (hopefully final) version on the forums.

Merging notes
Interior name proposals:

TR_Menaan Interior #1 Menaan, Gols Ulven's House
TR_Menaan Interior #2 Menaan, Darra's House
TR_Menaan Interior 3 Menaan, Garrison Tower
TR_Menaan Interior 4 Menaan, Storage Tower
TR_Menaan Interior #5 Menaan, Novor Dals' House
TR_Menaan Interior #6 Menaan, Morio Stulti's House
TR_Menaan Interior #7 Menaan, Orzuk gro-Gum: Smith
TR_Menaan Interior #8 Menaan, Nadras Arvel's House
TR_Menaan Interior #9 Menaan, Governor's Manor

Ownership crucial for quest:
"TR_m4_Menaan_int4_cellkey" in "TR_Menaan Interior 3" must be owned by "TR_m4_Brennan"

Stuff to be protected:
Active_De_Bar_Door    TR_Menaan Interior #7    -130    -32    678    "may want to lock"
exquisite_amulet_01    TR_Menaan Interior #9    4970    3876    12469    "some unwatched valuables here too..."
in_hlaalu_door    TR_Menaan Interior #9    4992    3712    12224    "... should lock this door for that (still leaves access from roof and terrace)"
de_r_chest_01_trader_01    TR_Menaan Interior #6    4056    4290    15131    "no one here, locked?"    
hlaal_loaddoor_01    Menaan (-3,-20)    -21305    -161609    622    "needs lock?"

Misc notes:
Those not at home need their houses locked (basically every interior except 3, 4, 7, 8, 9)
Orc smith needs ownership of his wares
Every NPC needs ownership of their valuables
TR-specific generic dialogue not always available (this concerns "local area", "local economy" and other topics branching out from these two)

Unmerged Roryn's Bluff no

Atrayonis's picture

Unmerged

Roryn's Bluff no longer contains the merged content, due to a version mixup it seems. This file will need to be remerged!