Burden of Proof

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  • Merged

Development Progress: 

100

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Description

Miscellaneous quests for Vhul (http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=24672), a small Velothi town in Indoril lands. As such, important themes are the relation between local Velothi and the Temple and local Velothi and the Indoril. This town is home to a tong of swindlers, the Syvvit Tong, and as such relations between local Velothi and outlanders should also be explored.

faction: associated with House Indoril, but open to all characters
questgiver: a representative of Ilvi located in Roa Dyr (basically a legal representative, he acts as a middle man between Ilvi and non-Indoril in matters related (generally) to law and judgement, and in gameplay terms questgiving)
reward: access to Roa Dyr's services for non-Indoril players or something nice for Indoril players.

summary: Ilvi suspects a House Hlaalu-Syvvit Tong link and his representative asks the player to investigate.
The player will not be able to find any conclusive evidence of such a link, as the link does not actually exist, but the player will manage to dig up some dirt on the Syvvit Tong nonetheless:
a. one of the top members of the ST (the one who lives in Vhul #5, formerly 'Othrensis, Seran Draylis' House') regularly pilfers a bit of the Velk brew while 'helping out' at the brewery to enjoy in his hut. Much worse than just theft, by imbibing the drink of nobility he shows a (to Indoril) shocking lack of humility and awareness of his station.
b. other than that, there could be a few random rumours floating about that are nothing more than rumours about the guild and its various members.
c. finally, with some persuasion the player will be able to convince some members of the ST to voluntarily leave the organization.
After his investigations, the player will be able to report back to Ilvi's steward:
1. if the player defends the ST of all wrongdoings, Ilvi's representative will remain unimpressed, leading to a small disposition drop and probably ending the quest. The player either gets no reward or a very paltry one (loose change).
2. the player can also defend the ST, but point out the individual misdeed(s) he has uncovered. Ilvi might apply to the Order of the Inquisition or something to restore faith in Vhul, but will otherwise leave the ST be. The player is decently rewarded for his troubles; maybe a nice Indoril item or something.
3. finally, the player can use the information he has uncovered -- real or imagined -- to paint the ST black. Ilvi will shut it down, effectively removing most of Vhul's services, but in return non-Indoril players will gain access to Roa Dyr's services, while Indoril players will get some other nice reward.
4. if the player tries to discredit the ST without any evidence, he will get a minor disposition drop with Ilvi and his representative, who will tell him to do his job properly so that Ilvi can pass judgement properly, but otherwise the quest will go on.

The important points of this quest are that only one member of the ST is doing something explicitly demanding reprimand; and that the Syvvit Tong are already guilty of subversion in Ilvi's eyes, but he feels duty-bound as an Indoril to properly weigh the case before rushing to judgement. Ilvi cannot be convinced that the ST is above reproach due to his prejudice, but can be convinced to lay the blame on a part of the organization rather than the whole.

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Comments

Put back into design, as

Kevaar's picture

Put back into design, as claiming this should be handled through the Syvvit Tong Quests parent claim.

Just to reaffirm: all other

Atrayonis's picture

Just to reaffirm: all other Syvvit Tong quests have been finished and merged, this one need Roa Dyr. This one - no the parent claim - will be available for claiming when that chapel-stronghold is done and NPCed.

The claimant should wait with

Jani's picture

The claimant should wait with implementation until Roa Dyr is NPCed. Also note that there's already an existing journal for the claim, and the result has effects on the other 2 quests in Vhul.

Gonna claim this one. I love

NoMan's picture

Gonna claim this one. I love this concept and investigation-style quests in general. It should also be a good excuse for me to finally dive into Indoril lore a bit.

This is looking very good so

Gnomey's picture

This is looking very good so far. I'd consider making it a bit more difficult to get Ienasa Llothil to admit to her theft, perhaps just add some player choice options where the player can push her to fess up in different ways.

Not sure about Dolyn Volor attacking. Maybe depending on the speechcraft check he might choose to report you for blackmail and face the music for his own past? It was refreshing to see a line like 'You’ve forced my hand, outlander.' not be a lead-in to a suicidal change for once.

As for Ilvi's stewart, TR_m3_Diranya is a rather older Altmer scholar and clerk who has long served House Indoril, at first as a clerk in Almalexia and then in Ilvi's exclusive service. It should be fine to write her more or less as a savant type; well spoken but down to earth due to being tasked with various practical affairs and interacting with the various visitors and petitioners and the like.

Sorry for sleeping on this

NoMan's picture

Sorry for sleeping on this claim! Work and other hobbies kept me preoccupied for a while there. Nonetheless, I've made some progress, so I'm uploading what I currently have. I'll continue to work on this claim, hopefully a bit quicker now that Morrowind has my interest again.

Hey. Sorry, I ended up taking

NoMan's picture

Hey. Sorry, I ended up taking a bit of a hiatus from TR. If I recall correctly, all but one quest path is completed, so there isn't a huge amount of work left to do. Thankfully I have quite a bit of free time coming up so I'll see about finishing the quest.

Did a bit of work on this

NoMan's picture

Did a bit of work on this claim this weekend. Just about everything but the ending is finished as well as some scripting. Feels good to be working on TR again.

Almost done! All paths are

NoMan's picture

Almost done! All paths are competable, but it needs some additional scripting and polish. File may be a bit dirty, but it's probably fine.

Finally done! Hopefully I

NoMan's picture

Finally done! Hopefully I didn't forget anything important. There were a lot of loose ends to tie up.

reviewing

Cicero's picture

reviewing

You won't win
With your standards so high
And your spirits so low

Playtest is done Now for CS

Cicero's picture

Playtest is done, now for CS review!

Noticed this in one of the scripts 

Begin TR_m3_NPC_Diranya

; TODO: Gnomey, merge this with whatever you have in the NPCing claim if anything
if ( OnDeath == 1 )
if ( GetJournalIndex "TR_m3_Rd_Burden" == 10 )
Journal TR_m3_Rd_Burden 50
endif
endif

end

 

Is this still something to be concerned about in regards to this NPC?

You won't win
With your standards so high
And your spirits so low

If there are any other

NoMan's picture

If there are any other unmerged quests that have their own Diranya script, then they'll conflict with this one. I'm not sure if Gnomey's claim does this, so I just put that annotation there as a precautionary measure.

Reviewed. Quest was fun and

Cicero's picture

Reviewed. Quest was fun and makes you ask around town for information. This is all I could find: 
 

After I paid her bribe, Seran Dreth told me about Dolyn Volor's secret. Apparently, he used to be an outlaw. He keeps a journal from that time period somewhere in his house.According to Dreth, If I get my hands on that journal, I can use it to blackmail him into turning against the Tong.
>>Apparently, he used to be an outlaw, and keeps a journal somewhere in his house from that period of time. According to Dreth, if I get my hands on that journal, I can use it to blackmail him into turning against the Tong.

 

"What, aside from the fact that they've swindled me out of hard-earned money?"
>>What? Aside from the fact that they've swindled me out of hard-earned money?
"Fantastic work, %PCName. For your valuable service to hose Indoril, I hearby grant you permission to utilize the services here in Roa Dyr. In addition. Please take this Chev-Aram armor. I wish you luck in your future endeavors, outlander."
>>Remove comma before %PCName. Remove fullstop after addition and make P lowercase for please.

 

"Really? Your investigation turned up nothing? Note even a single ..........."
>>Note replaced with Not.
Other than that, everything is good. Once these are fixed should be ready to merge!

Good work,

You won't win
With your standards so high
And your spirits so low

Thank you. **Note to Merger,

Cicero's picture

Thank you.

**Note to Merger, just make sure that TR_m3_Diranya in Roa Dyr doesn't conflict with the script this quest gives to her. If she has a script already, then merge the one from this quest to one she currently has (if she does have one of course from Roa Dyr NPCing).

You won't win
With your standards so high
And your spirits so low