[Haplo]

Three frescoes, each depicting a tribune and their anticipation. The Tribune is in the foreground and smaller, while a larger and higher image of the Anticipation is in the background. These should emphasize the Tribunal's roles as ancestors. Remember, all depictions of the tribunal have flaming hair.

Almalexia and Boethiah - Almalexia is Sophia. She is the Mother, the Queen, this is not Almalexia in her War face. Above her is Boethiah, who whispers wise counsel into her ear.
Inspirational image

Sotha Sil and Azura - Sotha Sil as wise beyond wisdom, as the master. Above him is Azura. This one is going to need to be a bit generic.

Vivec and Mephala - Mephala's gender is ambiguous. There are two Vivecs, side by side. The Vivec on the viewer's left is a woman, still bald, but with breasts and a feminine shape. The Vivec on the viewer's right is a warrior, and his sword floats.

These will be used in Necrom so they are VERY URGENTLY IMPORTANT!

[Myzel]

For clarity, do you want frescoes like this or like this?

We have no one available who has the photoshop prowess to create the second style.

[Sload]

The first is obviously a step toward the second, either is fine.

[Myzel]

Not exactly, but I'll take that answer and work with it.

[Myzel]

The anticipation of Vivec. Sort of a WIP. Not completely clean. Quality is not as good as I'd want to. I'm a perfectionist. I'm satisfied though, I guess. Hope you'll like it.

I'll work on the others, but don't expect them soon. This one took me almost two full days. And autumn recess is now over.

Edit: Because Imageshack sucks, it can't handle my giant resolution images. Working link: http://themyzel.deviantart.com/art/Anticipation-of-Vivec-142084895

[Sload]

War V's face looks funny but otherwise its immaculate.

[brianbusby]

Wow, thats amazing. I was planning something for this but I think I just scratched that idea. What program did you make the picture on?

[Adanorcil]

I really, really dig it.

As a little remark, I'd say remove all smooth, single lines as can be found in Girlvekh's and Mephala's face and the flames above either Vehk's head. Replace them with full shapes that are roughly the same shape (like the ones you used to give form to Girlvehk's jawline.) Manvekh's face could indeed use a little more work, perhaps a little more detail. Let it be known, though:

I really, really dig it.

[Myzel]

I made the design on paper(like so), then scanned it and painstakingly filled it up with photoshop (until it looked like this). Then I added all those little circles and lines. I'm a total photoshop noob though, so it could probably have been done in some easier way.

I'm glad you all like it. I will take your critiques and see what I can do with them.

[Lady Nerevar]

may i recommend the pen tool, or even Illustrator? it will give you nice clean lines and will be faster than filling it in by hand.

[Myzel]

The pen tool confused and annoyed me, because every single line turned into a new layer. I ended up using it anyway and merging the hundreds of layers in the end.

[Aeven]

Both Illustrator and Photoshop allow you to add parts to the same layer. Once you know how it'll be a lot easier.

[Chin Music]

Just have to add my own words of encouragement: extremely sexy. Can't wait to see more. I honestly don't think there's anything more I could suggest.

[Adanorcil]

I would highly recommend a vector art program for this kind of work. They are a million times more useful to produce this kind of pictures and, more importantly, they make the image impeccably scalable.


Illustrator is probably really good, but it comes from Adobe's stable of million-dollar race horses. Inkscape is open source and free, but I don't know how good it is, since it's still in development and I've only just downloaded it to try it myself. I believe Kirkbride's saint pictures were done in Flash, which was not technically developed for this kind of stuff, but it works.

[Myzel]

Thanks Ada. I'll give Inkscape a shot, since I don't have illustrator. May be useful for my next one.

[brianbusby]

So here is just a quick picture I did for the Almalexia/Boethiah fresco. I don't want to take it on Inkscape or whatever I decide to use yet because I want to make sure that this is a fitting concept. I'm not sure if I made it a little too suggestive or if this is acceptable.Obviously I haven't drawn Boethiah yet cause I just want to make sure this is alright:

[Myzel]

Well, the dimensions of her body are off in such a way that it looks unnatural.
If you ask me, her pose is also a little weird. What is she doing?
Her face could also use a little more detail and expression, perhaps lose the black/white seperation of the face. And you should add flames above her head, which is a characteristic we can see in vanilla depictions of the tribunal as well.

Other than that I don't see any problems with it. I don't find it too suggestive. Mine actually showed a boob. (If that is indeed what you mean by 'suggestive'.)

[Adanorcil]

[brianbusby]

Yeah I realized that I made her arms too long and her legs to short but I'll fix that on inkscape. I set up her pose so that she is cradling boethiahs head between her arm and ear as boethiah whispers advice. And she is kneeling because I want to make Boethiah more prominent as she floats in the backround. I actually kind of liked the black and white seperation but I'll screw around on inkscape and fix that maybe. As for the flaming hair, I tried to make it drop low like normal hair but still look like fire, i guess i kind of screwed that up. But should I put it above her head because that makes her look less feminine or should I just make it look more like fire? Thanks for the advice by the way.

[Myzel]

[Sload]

I'll be talking to Adanorcil about it, but I'm pretty sure the image linked in the first post shows Almalexia with flame for hair. The fresco Myzel shows, indubitably drawn by Michael Kirkbride, shows all three with flames. We'll reach a consensus in a few hours.

We're also going to need a fresco depicting "The Ancestors," by the way. Should be the same dimensions as any of the triloth saint images.

[Myzel]

I made some changes according to your critiques.

[Aeven]

Looking excellent as always Myzel!

Shouldn't we also have a fresco of Nerevar, perhaps stabbing a Dwemer head or something? The temple building (the mesh, not the exterior set up) has 4 bits, and it'd make sense to me to see a fresco of Nerevar there.

[Hemitheon]

If there needs to be 4, it makes more sense for the fourth to be of Veloth and we have one of him.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

It may (or evidently, may not) have occurred to you that the fact that Haplo made such a detailed post up top would indicate that this is actually a plan already, and major developments like a fourth fresco would have been asked for if needed. I believe Veloth and Nerevar stuff might (or, though, might not) be needed at a later date, but the admins will ask if they need anything.

'Sall under control, folks.

EDIT: Also, these &*%$ forums are bad for my procrastination. Must... work...

[Myzel]

It seems I created some spare time today.
The anticipation of Sotha Sil WIP.



This one looks a little different, and indeed a bit more generic.

[Cathartis]

That's pretty awesome. Azura's eyes are a bit off, though. Don't know what you could do to improve them. Maybe have them just be clear?

[Aeven]

That looks really cool. The only critique I have to offer is that Seht seems a bit too secondary in this. I believe it's a dual portrait in a sense, and with Azura so present it seems like she overpowers Seht.

[Myzel]

[Hemitheon]

Have you ever watched The Dark Crystal? There is a scene at the end where the Urus and the Skeksis merge into their true dualistic forms. Maybe make the image look as though they are not necessarily taking a portrait together but are becoming part of each other?

[Sload]

Sil could be a bit more active. I know he doesn't have arms in that one fresco, but I'm pretty sure its a multiple choice situation.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

Him just resting at Azura's feet doesn't really work for me... Did someone drop him?

Perhaps have him positioned at an angle (so only one side of him is fully visible) with an arm outstretched, gazing into something funky he's holding or levitating, with Azura then compensating by being moved slightly in the other direction. (So rather than Azura/Sil being North/South, it's like Northeast/Southwest) Azura perhaps cloaking/crouching over Sil (in a very vague way like that one Egyptian night-sky god who's a bent-over woman, but less contortionist, more 'cloak') rather than just 'standing there'. I'd also drop her Moon-and-Star. Put them in the background, and allow her hands to 'interact' with Sil as Mepahala's do with Vivec.

Sil definitely needs to have a touch more 'humanity' than just looking like non-fuctioning robo doll plonked on the ground, but simultaneous complete aloofness. He definitely needs to look like he's got better things to do than sit there glaring at the viewer.

And if you're not doing legs, he really ought to be floating, otherwise it looks very strange.

[Sload]

[Myzel]

I suppose these are valid points. Guess I'll just start over.

[Why]

I expect to be shot down, but:

No legs? How? In Tribunal, his mutilated body is shown wearing what I believe are greaves of some kind (image) and he is said to "walk" on multiple occasions in 2920, The Last Year of the First Era. I know that book is mostly fiction, but I figured the writer must have had at least a basic idea of what Mr. S. looked like, as he was, after all, a god featured prominently in Dunmer society at that time.

I am by no means a lore expert though. On a side note, I also read the bit about Seryn being a Guar, which actually sounded "logical" to me (even though I know that word doesn't apply to TES), that was rather hilarious.

[Sload]

Those are his rocket legs depicted in several images in this thread. 2920 is stupid crap.

Myzel, you don't need to start over. Azura is great, Sotha Sil is just a bit static. I think BC was basically repeating my post, that he could be more active, only he decided to say it in a way that was longwinded, excessive, and somewhat impolite.

[brianbusby]

[brianbusby]

This is a vector I did for the Almalexia/Boethiah one, I've only done Almalexia so far though. I think I fixed the proportional errors I had in the drawn concept too:

[Yeti]

To me, it looks like the legs are alittle too short Brianbusby, and the arms seem too long.

[Night0205]

It mainly looks weird because Boethiah is not in the picture. So... maybe you should at least outline him. It's just hard to understand her position without him.