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- Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:35 am
- Forum: Master Planning
- Topic: Twin Lamps [Faction]
- Replies: 17
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- Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:02 pm
- Forum: Master Planning
- Topic: Twin Lamps [Faction]
- Replies: 17
- Views: 8766
So I have a rough proposition for a Twin Lamps questline flavored with Khajit lore. Please pardon me if I step on any toes. I would like to begin designing quests, and I am unsure if there's a formal process.
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Journal Entry: "I was told that the Twin Lamps are an anti-slavery organization. If I am asked 'Have you seen the Twin Lamps?' I should say 'They light the way to freedom.'"
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Quotes from various sources of Lore:
"And Fadomai said, "The Khajiit must be the best climbers, for if Masser and Secunda fail, they must climb Khenarthi's breath to set the moons back in their courses."
And Fadomai said, "The Khajiit must be the best deceivers, for they must always hide their nature from the children of Ahnurr."
And Fadomai said, "The Khajiit must be the best survivors, for Nirni will be jealous, and she will make the sands harsh and the forests unforgiving, and the Khajiit will always be hungry and at war with Nirni.""
"And Azurah came to her and said, "Poor Nirni, stop your tears. Azurah makes for you a gift of a new people." Nirni stopped weeping, and Azurah spoke the First Secret to the Moons and they parted and let Azurah pass. And Azurah took some forest people who were torn between man and beast, and she placed them in the best deserts and forests on Nirni. And Azurah in her wisdom made them of many shapes, one for every purpose. And Azurah named them Khajiit and told them her Second Secret and taught them the value of secrets. And Azurah bound the new Khajiit to the Lunar Lattice, as is proper for Nirni's secret defenders. Then Azurah spoke the Third Secret, and the Moons shone down on the marshes and their light became sugar."
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From the Pocket Guide:
"According to Khajiit myth and religion, Fadomai had gifted Jone and Jode with the ja-Kha'jay, or the Lunar Lattice, so that Jone and Jode could protect all of their children and the future children of Nirni (the races of Nirn) forever.
When Ahnurr had found Fadomai, he “shook the heavens themselves†yet could not break Jone and Jode's defenses. Azurah has worked with her siblings Jone and Jode to create the Khajiit whose primary purpose would be to fix Jone and Jode if they ever needed to be put back into their proper motions and thus save all of Mundus and Oblivion."
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"Azura maintains the domain of Moonshadow, a twilight country of shades and half-thoughts. Visitors to this isle have historically come mainly from the Dunmer of eastern Morrowind (as Azura is one of the Dunmeri three Good Daedra) and the catfolk of Elsweyr, whose people both hold a great affection for the mother of immanence, though by separate roads."
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Michael Kirkbride: “[Jone and Jode] are like the mortal plane in that they are temporal and subject to the bounds of mortality; in fact of this, the moons are dead and died long ago. The moons used to be pure white and featureless, but today their 'skin' is decaying and withering away. Their planes are likewise dying. Mortals perceive this as the moons being spheres with patches of their 'surfaces' completely eaten away; as the moons spin, they seem to become slivers or ragged crescents. These are not caused by shadows, because you can see stars through the black patches of the lunar spheres.
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So abstracting from these passages, we have a correlation with the main quest of Morrowind in the scheming of Azura, and we also get a storyline with Khajit lore, Jode and Jone as the Twin Lamps, perhaps even making an appearance with or without Azura [through moon-sugar hallucination or some other means]. "The primary purpose" of the Khajit is to fix Jode and Jone, and perhaps the Khajit in Morrowind can sense something wrong with the motion of the moons (motion of the moons meaning the life-soul force of the Khajit [lunar lattice]) which could be a projection of their ordeals with moon-sugar addiction, slavery, and discrimination.
Relevant Characters
Ilmeni Dren: "a Dunmer noble, is a House Cousin for House Hlaalu. Ilmeni is Duke Vedam Dren's daughter. She is also one of Morrowind's most prominent anti-slavery campaigners, and leader of the Twin Lamps organization of abolitionists  which brings her into opposition to her uncle Orvas, owner of one of the biggest slave-run plantations in Vvardenfell."
Jobasha: "Khajiit bookseller who is the proprietor of "Jobasha's Rare Books". He is both directly and indirectly involved in many quests that require rare books. He is also an active abolitionist and works closely with Ilmeni Dren. "
Im-Kilaya: "an Argonian mage and a prominent member of the Twin Lamps. He can be found at the Argonian Mission in Ebonheart. Im-Kilaya works tirelessly trying to return escaped slaves to Argonia, and many slaves will ask you to escort them to him. He also might give you a donation for the poor."
These three are the main focusing-points for quests, themes, and player-involvement/world-effect... With this we also see reflections of Azura, Jone, and Jode, as well as a discursive take on the tribunal, “Temporal and subject to the bounds of mortalityâ€Â. They will be more secretive or 'in the shadows' so to speak, which is to say, the quest-line will be subtle, actions of mere mortals for causes dealing with the here-and-now rather than transcendence of man/mer/beast.
So we have the Dunmer noble, the Khajit intellectual, and the Argonian mage (reflections of the main forces involved in the conflict of slave-trade in Morrowind). Ilmeni Dren gives us access to Dunmeri politics (mostly involving Hlaalu, Dres, and Telvanni)... Jobasha as the intellectual, is the one who 'teaches' Ilmeni about Khajit lore, Master-Slave philosophies, etc... gives her strong doses of idealism which she uses in her creation of the Twin Lamps which just so happens to be named (subconsciously or consciously) after Jone and Jode. Im-Kilaya, the Argonian, is connected to other Argonians and perhaps various characters along the Dres/Black Marsh border... mainly involved with House Dres conflicts.
Variations of themes in dealing with each of the three:
Jobasha is nostalgic for Elsweyr. Also involved in Khajit spiritualism/ceremony. Perhaps hallucinates on moonsugar. Although intellectual, he is discriminated by his 'peers' for being khajit, and this adds to his lonliness and resentment. In Jobasha, we have reflections of Jode (big Moon-god).
Ilmeni is young and idealistic and a romantic. She is priviliged and well-educated, but she also has a big heart, and wants to see moral and intellectual progress in Morrowind. Her fling with a Bouyant Armiger maybe suggests a connection to Redoran principles of family, gravity, duty, honor, etc. She has the potential to be a really complex and deep character. In Ilmeni, we have reflections of Azura.
Im-Kilaya has connections to Argonia as a part of the Argonian Mission. His mage class suggests a strong connection to the 'blood-magic' of the Hist. And as I said before, He would be a good connecting point for Dres slavery conflict. Also involved with Argonian education, which besides slavery, gives him another connection to Jobasha and Ilmeni. In Im-Kilaya, we have reflections of Jone (little Moon-god) [or perhaps this is Jobasha's dream].
Relevant Dialogue snippets from the main game:
Im-Kilaya:
“We are the People of the Root, called 'Argonians' by the warmbloods. We go where we will, wet or dry, and the currents of blood magic run swift in our veins. In our native land, we hunt to live, masters of the marshes. Hunted and enslaved by softskinned enemies, we snare and slay them by stealth, spell, and steel.â€Â
“It is good that you brought her here. We have heard tales of drugs being smuggled inside these poor people. There seems to be no low the smugglers and slavers won't stoop to for profit. We will give her the help she needs. Thank you, and please take this in return. Perhaps it will help you in funding other missions of goodwill. Take care.â€Â
“We will get him back to his people. Soon, by the Root, he will be back among his people, with the sweet smell of the Hist making fire in his veins.â€Â
Jobasha:
“It is the home of the Khajiit. Perhaps %Name will return someday.â€Â
“No idea where he went? Damn. He's probably halfway to the mainland by now... Thanks, %PCName. I'd best start looking for the next slave on my list, then.â€Â
“We are from the deserts and forests of Elsweyr. There are many Khajiit, but only the small, agile Suthay-raht are common here in Vvardenfell. When people think of Khajiit, they think of thieves. Perhaps because it is hard for us to understand "property."â€Â
“Khajiit in Morrowind suffer. Some talk, some act. Which are you?â€Â
Ilmeni Dren:
“I am a noble of Great House Hlaalu. It is my privilege and pleasure to serve my house and clan as a leader and protector of its ancient prerogatives. In the grand mercantile traditions of House Hlaalu, I am a merchant prince. I concern myself with the wealth and influence of our house, and strive to bring profit and wealth to myself, my retainers, and my humble clients and kinsmen. I serve at the pleasure of the Clan and Council, providing such public works and services as befits my station.â€Â
“The real business of Vvardenfell is slavery.â€Â
“Business? How can you talk about business when people cannot read?†[connection to Jobasha?]
“There's always trouble between outlanders -- non-Dunmer Imperial colonists -- and the Dunmer natives. Often it just appears to be common theft and crime, but racial and cultural hatreds often lie behind the violence.â€Â
“Well, the Temple has always said that madness is a soul sickness, and a sign of sin. But in the Empire, they say it's just another kind of disease.â€Â
“The Great Houses have always fought private wars among themselves. Sometimes they fight about land, sometimes about wealth, sometimes about politics, sometimes about honor.â€Â
“Oh, have you seen the twin lamps?â€Â
<><><><><>
Journal Entry: "I was told that the Twin Lamps are an anti-slavery organization. If I am asked 'Have you seen the Twin Lamps?' I should say 'They light the way to freedom.'"
<><><><><>
Quotes from various sources of Lore:
"And Fadomai said, "The Khajiit must be the best climbers, for if Masser and Secunda fail, they must climb Khenarthi's breath to set the moons back in their courses."
And Fadomai said, "The Khajiit must be the best deceivers, for they must always hide their nature from the children of Ahnurr."
And Fadomai said, "The Khajiit must be the best survivors, for Nirni will be jealous, and she will make the sands harsh and the forests unforgiving, and the Khajiit will always be hungry and at war with Nirni.""
"And Azurah came to her and said, "Poor Nirni, stop your tears. Azurah makes for you a gift of a new people." Nirni stopped weeping, and Azurah spoke the First Secret to the Moons and they parted and let Azurah pass. And Azurah took some forest people who were torn between man and beast, and she placed them in the best deserts and forests on Nirni. And Azurah in her wisdom made them of many shapes, one for every purpose. And Azurah named them Khajiit and told them her Second Secret and taught them the value of secrets. And Azurah bound the new Khajiit to the Lunar Lattice, as is proper for Nirni's secret defenders. Then Azurah spoke the Third Secret, and the Moons shone down on the marshes and their light became sugar."
/////
From the Pocket Guide:
"According to Khajiit myth and religion, Fadomai had gifted Jone and Jode with the ja-Kha'jay, or the Lunar Lattice, so that Jone and Jode could protect all of their children and the future children of Nirni (the races of Nirn) forever.
When Ahnurr had found Fadomai, he “shook the heavens themselves†yet could not break Jone and Jode's defenses. Azurah has worked with her siblings Jone and Jode to create the Khajiit whose primary purpose would be to fix Jone and Jode if they ever needed to be put back into their proper motions and thus save all of Mundus and Oblivion."
/////
"Azura maintains the domain of Moonshadow, a twilight country of shades and half-thoughts. Visitors to this isle have historically come mainly from the Dunmer of eastern Morrowind (as Azura is one of the Dunmeri three Good Daedra) and the catfolk of Elsweyr, whose people both hold a great affection for the mother of immanence, though by separate roads."
/////
Michael Kirkbride: “[Jone and Jode] are like the mortal plane in that they are temporal and subject to the bounds of mortality; in fact of this, the moons are dead and died long ago. The moons used to be pure white and featureless, but today their 'skin' is decaying and withering away. Their planes are likewise dying. Mortals perceive this as the moons being spheres with patches of their 'surfaces' completely eaten away; as the moons spin, they seem to become slivers or ragged crescents. These are not caused by shadows, because you can see stars through the black patches of the lunar spheres.
<><><><><><>
So abstracting from these passages, we have a correlation with the main quest of Morrowind in the scheming of Azura, and we also get a storyline with Khajit lore, Jode and Jone as the Twin Lamps, perhaps even making an appearance with or without Azura [through moon-sugar hallucination or some other means]. "The primary purpose" of the Khajit is to fix Jode and Jone, and perhaps the Khajit in Morrowind can sense something wrong with the motion of the moons (motion of the moons meaning the life-soul force of the Khajit [lunar lattice]) which could be a projection of their ordeals with moon-sugar addiction, slavery, and discrimination.
Relevant Characters
Ilmeni Dren: "a Dunmer noble, is a House Cousin for House Hlaalu. Ilmeni is Duke Vedam Dren's daughter. She is also one of Morrowind's most prominent anti-slavery campaigners, and leader of the Twin Lamps organization of abolitionists  which brings her into opposition to her uncle Orvas, owner of one of the biggest slave-run plantations in Vvardenfell."
Jobasha: "Khajiit bookseller who is the proprietor of "Jobasha's Rare Books". He is both directly and indirectly involved in many quests that require rare books. He is also an active abolitionist and works closely with Ilmeni Dren. "
Im-Kilaya: "an Argonian mage and a prominent member of the Twin Lamps. He can be found at the Argonian Mission in Ebonheart. Im-Kilaya works tirelessly trying to return escaped slaves to Argonia, and many slaves will ask you to escort them to him. He also might give you a donation for the poor."
These three are the main focusing-points for quests, themes, and player-involvement/world-effect... With this we also see reflections of Azura, Jone, and Jode, as well as a discursive take on the tribunal, “Temporal and subject to the bounds of mortalityâ€Â. They will be more secretive or 'in the shadows' so to speak, which is to say, the quest-line will be subtle, actions of mere mortals for causes dealing with the here-and-now rather than transcendence of man/mer/beast.
So we have the Dunmer noble, the Khajit intellectual, and the Argonian mage (reflections of the main forces involved in the conflict of slave-trade in Morrowind). Ilmeni Dren gives us access to Dunmeri politics (mostly involving Hlaalu, Dres, and Telvanni)... Jobasha as the intellectual, is the one who 'teaches' Ilmeni about Khajit lore, Master-Slave philosophies, etc... gives her strong doses of idealism which she uses in her creation of the Twin Lamps which just so happens to be named (subconsciously or consciously) after Jone and Jode. Im-Kilaya, the Argonian, is connected to other Argonians and perhaps various characters along the Dres/Black Marsh border... mainly involved with House Dres conflicts.
Variations of themes in dealing with each of the three:
Jobasha is nostalgic for Elsweyr. Also involved in Khajit spiritualism/ceremony. Perhaps hallucinates on moonsugar. Although intellectual, he is discriminated by his 'peers' for being khajit, and this adds to his lonliness and resentment. In Jobasha, we have reflections of Jode (big Moon-god).
Ilmeni is young and idealistic and a romantic. She is priviliged and well-educated, but she also has a big heart, and wants to see moral and intellectual progress in Morrowind. Her fling with a Bouyant Armiger maybe suggests a connection to Redoran principles of family, gravity, duty, honor, etc. She has the potential to be a really complex and deep character. In Ilmeni, we have reflections of Azura.
Im-Kilaya has connections to Argonia as a part of the Argonian Mission. His mage class suggests a strong connection to the 'blood-magic' of the Hist. And as I said before, He would be a good connecting point for Dres slavery conflict. Also involved with Argonian education, which besides slavery, gives him another connection to Jobasha and Ilmeni. In Im-Kilaya, we have reflections of Jone (little Moon-god) [or perhaps this is Jobasha's dream].
Relevant Dialogue snippets from the main game:
Im-Kilaya:
“We are the People of the Root, called 'Argonians' by the warmbloods. We go where we will, wet or dry, and the currents of blood magic run swift in our veins. In our native land, we hunt to live, masters of the marshes. Hunted and enslaved by softskinned enemies, we snare and slay them by stealth, spell, and steel.â€Â
“It is good that you brought her here. We have heard tales of drugs being smuggled inside these poor people. There seems to be no low the smugglers and slavers won't stoop to for profit. We will give her the help she needs. Thank you, and please take this in return. Perhaps it will help you in funding other missions of goodwill. Take care.â€Â
“We will get him back to his people. Soon, by the Root, he will be back among his people, with the sweet smell of the Hist making fire in his veins.â€Â
Jobasha:
“It is the home of the Khajiit. Perhaps %Name will return someday.â€Â
“No idea where he went? Damn. He's probably halfway to the mainland by now... Thanks, %PCName. I'd best start looking for the next slave on my list, then.â€Â
“We are from the deserts and forests of Elsweyr. There are many Khajiit, but only the small, agile Suthay-raht are common here in Vvardenfell. When people think of Khajiit, they think of thieves. Perhaps because it is hard for us to understand "property."â€Â
“Khajiit in Morrowind suffer. Some talk, some act. Which are you?â€Â
Ilmeni Dren:
“I am a noble of Great House Hlaalu. It is my privilege and pleasure to serve my house and clan as a leader and protector of its ancient prerogatives. In the grand mercantile traditions of House Hlaalu, I am a merchant prince. I concern myself with the wealth and influence of our house, and strive to bring profit and wealth to myself, my retainers, and my humble clients and kinsmen. I serve at the pleasure of the Clan and Council, providing such public works and services as befits my station.â€Â
“The real business of Vvardenfell is slavery.â€Â
“Business? How can you talk about business when people cannot read?†[connection to Jobasha?]
“There's always trouble between outlanders -- non-Dunmer Imperial colonists -- and the Dunmer natives. Often it just appears to be common theft and crime, but racial and cultural hatreds often lie behind the violence.â€Â
“Well, the Temple has always said that madness is a soul sickness, and a sign of sin. But in the Empire, they say it's just another kind of disease.â€Â
“The Great Houses have always fought private wars among themselves. Sometimes they fight about land, sometimes about wealth, sometimes about politics, sometimes about honor.â€Â
“Oh, have you seen the twin lamps?â€Â
- Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:32 pm
- Forum: Master Planning
- Topic: Twin Lamps [Faction]
- Replies: 17
- Views: 8766
Does anyone know of any lore texts that mention the Twin Lamps? It's a mostly underground organization right? Here's an idea: Those in charge of the orchestration of the movement decide to establish a more visible front that doesn't free slaves directly, but rather opens up discourse channels (publi...
- Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:55 am
- Forum: Master Planning
- Topic: Imperial Archaeological Society [Faction]
- Replies: 39
- Views: 22593
Because necromancy itself does not permit association with the King of Worms. The mages guild is fine as it is; sometimes they are infiltrated by a necromancer, sometimes by a tong agent, or what have you. Having a direct conflict between the mages guild and KoWC is just...I don't know...boring? To...
- Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:06 pm
- Forum: Off-Topic
- Topic: Introduce yourself!
- Replies: 194
- Views: 90142
Hello, my name is Tim. Big fan of Morrowind from the time it was released(I was around 13 years old then, I think, time flies...) I do some writing in my free time, so I'd like to help out with quests in the future, if possible. My main ideas revolve around bringing a large amount of pathos to the s...