Congrats to whole TR. Our work is being sold already.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:14 pm

Congratulation guys ! Our work caught the eye of software pirates and our work is being sold. Yes, yes. Not even final but alphas of our maps. Here's the [url=http://gamerus.ru/eld/?body=eld_cd]link[/url] to the site. It's in Russian (of course). Now some friendly people from [url=http://www.fullrest.ru]Fullrest[/url] are working on shuting down the site or at least punishing the guy in any means possible. Here's the [url=http://forum.gamerus.ru/]link[/url] to the forum. Feel free to spam, flame and sweat.
P.S. Never thought I will be angry at pirates. Really... Strange feeling I must say.

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:43 pm

*fumes*

Lucky there's Fullrest then - that's Walt[FT] isn't it?

The puke that did this needs tenderising...

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:47 pm

Yeap. Walt if one of them. I've just talked with some representatives of big Russian TES sites. That site was a thorn in their ass for too long. Plus he's selling the work of other moders and many of them.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:48 pm

I guess I'll rush out and buy it then...

-Starcrunch

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:50 pm

what do you mean it's being sold? i cant read whatever language that is...

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:09 pm

Russian. They are selling a DVD with a lot of plugins. Cost include burning cost+shipping+a LOT of money to that guy.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:22 pm

i used a russian translator and got this:

" TAMRIEL REBUILT PROJECT "!!
(huge in new territory and
Sootv-but new quests)
Are added Map2, Map4, Map6 (new!!)

It is necessary to transfer the following sum on below specified requisites:

300ÃƒÂ° - within the limits of Russia

360p - Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, etc. the countries CIS

Also it is necessary to send the application for ours email with the text "application" in a theme of the message.
In a body of the letter the following data should contain:

* You order what disks:
- A collection of plug-ins for MORROWIND

how much is that in us dollars?

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:37 pm

12$ while empty CD-R costs like...emm...20 cents.

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:43 pm

They included Map2, Map 4 and Map 6?... Why not map 1, and why map 4 and map 6 which are far from finished?

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 10:49 pm

Man.. the least they could have done is download the rest of the maps

I mean.. they're all right here.

One of the Admins should send a small email to bethesda with the link. I'm sure they'd love to see somebody making money off their software...provided somebody would actually buy such a dvd.

Nairb · Post by **Nairb** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:02 pm

Man this pisses me off alot. I mean alot alot. that guy needs to get busted.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:03 pm

Man, the guy even went so low as to SCAN things directly from the OFFICIAL Strategy guide and lable it as his own!

That guy is SO sued!

kingfish · Post by **kingfish** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:15 pm

hmmm, this is hard to underestand, but if someone is stupid enough to buy a pre-alpha, i say let'em have it...

on the other hand, the freak that's making money of it, should burn in hell.

Phaen · Post by **Phaen** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:36 pm

Just curious- how did you find this?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:00 am

i am making a telephone call tomorrow to bethsoft about this.

Then this person that is doing this will indeed burn in hell a poor man/woman.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:03 am

bj wrote:i am making a telephone call tomorrow to bethsoft about this.

Then this person that is doing this will indeed burn in hell a poor man/woman.

They are likely in Russia and beyond the reach of Beth. Don't waste your time...

-Starcrunch

Hellwege · Post by **Hellwege** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:19 am

we made TR shouldnt we be getting some of the cash

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:32 am

nah, noone should get the money... we're doing this for a free download

Colostriph · Post by **Colostriph** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:32 am

Well, here's what I have to say:

1- The people who are doing this are selling alphas

2- The people buying this are screwing themselves, cuz they can get the alphas and more for free.

3- Just because they live in russia doesn't mean we can't screw them. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm sure that if someone lives in russia, can't we hand TR rights to him or her for a few days, so that they can kick their asses legally? Just a thought.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:44 am

We have no grounds as we do not own TR, it is not our intellectual property, it is Bethesda's therefor we can do nothing and neither can they likely. IP laws are fairly weak outside of the US and Western Europe, and that's just the way it is (and across borders it can get very tricky even where IP laws are strong).

-Starcrunch

Colostriph · Post by **Colostriph** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:54 am

Starcrunch wrote:We have no grounds as we do not own TR, it is not our intellectual property, it is Bethesda's therefor we can do nothing and neither can they likely. IP laws are fairly weak outside of the US and Western Europe, and that's just the way it is (and across borders it can get very tricky even where IP laws are strong).

-Starcrunch

You're right, TR does technically belong to bethsoft. But I'm sure our beloved bethsoft would lend TR rights to some dear member in russia, then we can deal with them.

Of course, we could always "caress" their computers in "bacteriophages" as I like to say...

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:57 am

We have no grounds as we do not own TR, it is not our intellectual property

what about all our unique models? dont we have right's to all those awesome weapons and stuff that asylum makes?

Colostriph · Post by **Colostriph** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:02 am

Negrodomous wrote:
We have no grounds as we do not own TR, it is not our intellectual property
what about all our unique models? dont we have right's to all those awesome weapons and stuff that asylum makes?

No matter that, we can't reach russia with our laws. Unless we have a member there, and give the copyrights to him or her, it's a no go. It also depends, are these people making money from it? I'd laugh if no one's buying their crappy TR alphas and we're trying to sew them.

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:08 am

We have many members in Russia, Stalker himself lives in Ukraine, I think. It doesn't matter what they're selling, the point is it's illegal, and I hope his ass gets screwed. I hope Russia sends him over to the US so we can bust him with 50 years of jailtime...with Martha Stuart and Micheal Jackson, once they convict him, that is.

Colostriph · Post by **Colostriph** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:08 am

Stalker wrote: Here's the [url=http://forum.gamerus.ru/]link[/url] to the forum. Feel free to spam, flame and sweat.
P.S. Never thought I will be angry at pirates. Really... Strange feeling I must say.

So what are we waiting for? It may be rather childish, but I think the whole communitie should pitch in and spam all over there forums in foreign languages. Now don't download anything, just have fun. Since that isn't as illegal as what they're doing, I doupt we'll get into any big trouble at all. Of course, unless they hack into our computers.

So, I bet that I can do 40 posts in one day.

Anymore bets? Common people, we can have a very good time. After you get all the anger out, we'll be able to mod in peace.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:10 am

haplo12345 wrote:We have many members in Russia, Stalker himself lives in Ukraine, I think. It doesn't matter what they're selling, the point is it's illegal, and I hope his ass gets screwed. I hope Russia sends him over to the US so we can bust him with 50 years of jailtime...with Martha Stuart and Micheal Jackson, once they convict him, that is.

Unless we have a member there, and give the copyrights to him or her, it's a no go

i looked at the member list and i found that these ppl live in russia:

Ser Samuel
Darth_Blade
Walt[FT]
Lord Alex[FT]
Lord Zero
Astral
HungerGhost
Kfvlad

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:11 am

Well, if you visit their website, you're doing 2 things)

1) You're giving them money for every page of theirs you visit.

2) If you post something, and they have remotely any skill with computers, they can trace your IP and get a virus from someone to screw up your computer. Poof. There goes your brand new spiffy way overpriced Alienware Machine.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:12 am

If anyone decides to email Bethesda, let it be the Admins of this project. Nobody else. Its cleaner and more organised that way.

Its within their interest to know... whether they wish to protect their property is their matter to deal with.

Colostriph · Post by **Colostriph** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:16 am

haplo12345 wrote:Well, if you visit their website, you're doing 2 things)

1) You're giving them money for every page of theirs you visit.

2) If you post something, and they have remotely any skill with computers, they can trace your IP and get a virus from someone to screw up your computer. Poof. There goes your brand new spiffy way overpriced Alienware Machine.

Hah, well that is unless you have an IP scrambler like me. Therefor I am untracable (almost)

And giving them money how?

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:26 am

How do you think people make money off of their websites? People who have servers charge other people money to use those servers, so the people using them have to make money somehow. For many websites, they get paid so many cents(or dollars) for each hit they get per page. So if a website has 11 pages, including a mainpage, and they get paid 10 cents per hit, and you visit the main page twice, and every other page, they get a $1.20 from your one visit alone, where you didn't do anything but browse around. Just imagine those large popular forums that get thousands of hits a day. That's how people make money. Also, people get paid by large companies to advertise for them on their website(AOL for instance, will pay you if you have a banner portraying them on your website, and you get people redirected to them)

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:48 am

1. This stinks. Walt's people should hack the site and tell all potential buyers that this is available for free, so they don't owe this guy shit.

2. Bethsft can do nothing about this, as it is not on American soil.

3. Russian justice works a LOT different than America's. It's even less predictable.

Garinator · Post by **Garinator** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:54 am

isnt anybody else flattered that theyre including our material on this CD?
as for being mad, it doesnt really bother me as who is actually going to buy this CD?
i know if it was me i would do a search on "TR" on google and that would get me all the maps for free.
Lets just let beth deal with it and carry on modding.

Veet · Post by **Veet** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:54 am

I'm reminded of a time when the Giants mod began showing up on Ebay for sale I cant help but chuckle at the lengths people will go to to make a buck off of other peoples ignorance.

Phaen · Post by **Phaen** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:00 am

The Giants Mod showed up on Ebay for sale? When was that? Do you have any pictures?

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 4:17 am

isnt anybody else flattered that theyre including our material on this CD?

Not really... its just some llama with internet access and a DVD burner trying to make a quick buck off our work.

All we can do is make it known that everything there can be downloaded for free.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:14 am

k. We decided that I'll go and post on ESF the list of mods he's selling. And trhis guys is definatly in big trouble.

Darth_Blade · Post by **Darth_Blade** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:45 am

if someone is stupid enough to buy a pre-alpha

Russians are. You can still find pre-alphas of Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 in some stores. And S.T.A.L.K.E.R. pre-alpha is hot right now %)

Unless we have a member there, and give the copyrights to him or her, it's a no go.

Well, you've got me. But it's a no go either way, because even though there are IP laws in Russia, nobody cares about music\video\software. Basically, it's only about literature. And...

Bethsft can do nothing about this, as it is not on American soil.

Though we could try to contact 1C, who owns the rights for TES3 in Russia and then MAYBE this guy will shut his site down. But the disk is probably all over the stores by now...

Not really... its just some llama with internet access and a DVD burner trying to make a quick buck off our work.

These llamas run a whole lot of online stores in runet %) And, even if I'm a bit embarassed to say this, I was the first person in my town to play Silent Hill 4 thanks to one of them %)

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:14 pm

Well, if Russians really have to live with pre-Alphas of already existing games instead of quality pirated final release version software (for example, from China), then I feel sorry for you guys.

Post by **Swiftoak** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:47 pm

This is outareous! While I am happy we are getting publicity, i dont like them copying bethesdas and our software!

Post by **Swiftoak** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:49 pm

haplo12345 wrote:We have many members in Russia, Stalker himself lives in Ukraine, I think. It doesn't matter what they're selling, the point is it's illegal, and I hope his ass gets screwed. I hope Russia sends him over to the US so we can bust him with 50 years of jailtime...with Martha Stuart and Micheal Jackson, once they convict him, that is.

how but the death sentence... no too much, 1000 years (Life sentence)

Im quoting the bold part

Tamriel Rebuilt

Congrats to whole TR. Our work is being sold already.

Congrats to whole TR. Our work is being sold already.

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