Concept art request: Saint's statues

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:13 am

We need concept art for all Tribunal Saints statues. Any takers ? The sooner we have them - the better.
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[url=http://img160.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img160&image=stnerevar16ue.jpg]St. Nerevar[/url] by Leviathan
[url=http://img183.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img183&image=stnerevar24qd.jpg]St. Nerevar[/url] by Leviathan
[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/Macar/saint.jpg]St. Meris[/url] by Macar
[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/CjadtheNord/Scanned%20Art/LlothisStatue.jpg]St. Llothis[/url] by Cjad the Nord
[url=http://www.artwanted.com/images/large/17853_183146.jpg]St. Aralor[/url] by Uldar

Uldar · Post by **Uldar** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:03 pm

I'll do some up, but I need some details on the saints.

It's probably semi-lazy of me to ask you to provide the lore, but I am currently nearing the end of scripting a quest and am hell bent on getting it done. So if you could kindly provide me with the details, as soon as I get done with the quest, I'll start in on some sketches.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:29 pm

For pictural inspiration go to the editor and see for corresponding shrines but for written here it is:

Live of the Saints wrote: If you would be wise, model your lives on the lives of the saints.

If you would learn valor, follow St. Nerevar the Captain, patron of Warriors and Statesmen. Lord Nerevar helped to unite the barbarian Dunmer tribes into a great nation, culminating in his martyrdom when leading the Dunmer to victory against the evil Dwemer and the traitorous House Dagoth in the Battle of Red Mountain.

If you would learn daring, follow Saint Veloth the Pilgrim, Patron of Outcasts and Spiritual Seekers. Saint Veloth, prophet and mystic, led the Dunmer out of the decadent home country of the Summerset Isles and into the promised land of Morrowind. Saint Veloth also taught the difference between the Good and Bad Daedra, and won the aid of the Good Daedra for his people while teaching how to carefully negotiate with the Bad Daedra.

If you would learn generosity, follow Saint Rilms the Barefooted, Patron of Pilgrims and Beggars. Saint Rilms gave away her shoes, then dressed and appeared as a beggar to better acquaint herself with the poor.

If you would learn self-respect and respect for others, follow Saint Aralor the Penitent, Patron of Tanners and Miners. This foul criminal repented his sins and traveled a circuit of the great pilgrimages on his knees.

If you would learn mercy and its fruits, follow Saint Seryn the Merciful, Patron of Brewers, Bakers, Distillers. This pure virgin of modest aspect could heal all diseases at the price of taking the disease upon herself. Tough-minded and fearless, she took on the burdens of others, and bore those burdens to an honored old age.

If you would learn fierce justice, follow Saint Felms the Bold, Patron of Butchers and Fishmongers. This brave warlord slew the Nord invaders and drove them from our lands. He could neither read nor write, receiving inspiration directly from the lips of Almsivi.

If you would learn pride of race and tribe, follow Saint Roris the Martyr, Patron of Furnishers and Caravaners. Captured by Argonians just before the Arnesian War, Roris proudly refused to renounce the Tribunal faith, and withstood the cruel tortures of Argonian sorcerers. Vengeance and justice for the martyred Saint Roris was the rallying cry of the Arnesian War.

If you would learn the rule of law and justice, follow Saint Olms the Just, Patron of Chandlers and Clerks. Founder of the Ordinators, Saint Olms conceived and articulated the fundamental principles of testing, ordeal, and repentance.

If you would learn benevolence, follow Saint Delyn the Wise, Patron of Potters and Glassmakers. Saint Delyn was head of House Indoril, a skilled lawyer, and author of many learned treatises on Tribunal law and custom.

If you would learn the love of peace, follow Saint Meris the Peacemaker, Patron of Farmers and Laborers. As a little girl, Saint Meris showed healing gifts, and trained as a Healer. She ended a long and bloody House War, intervening on the battlefield in her white robe to heal warriors and spellcrafters without regard to faction. The troops of all House adopted white robes as her standard, and refused to shed the blood of their brethren.

If you would learn reverence, follow Saint Llothis the Pious, Patron of Tailors and Dyers. Contemporary and companion of the Tribunals, and the best-loved Alma Rula of the Tribunal Temple, he formulated the central rituals and principles of the New Temple Faith. Saint Llothis is the symbolic mortal bridge between the gods and the faithful, and the archetypal priest.

We already have Felms, Olms and Delyn so we don't need those.

Asylum · Post by **Asylum** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:26 am

i'm allready workin on veloth, dunmer male, wearing veloth's robe and draging around veloth's jugement.
this one is nearly finished

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:40 am

I will try on St Nerevar?

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:44 am

Of course.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:40 am

Here is a scetch of St Nerevar I threw together over lunch.

[url]http://img160.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img160&image=stnerevar16ue.jpg[/url]

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:44 am

One problem. Back in Chimeri times there was no medium armor. Only Chitin. So he probably was wearing chiting armor. Plus I doubt it covered all his body. I guess it was pauldrons, gauntlets, greaves, boots and helmet (I know it was easier to say "everything except the cuirass"

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Asylum · Post by **Asylum** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:30 am

Veloth?

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:15 am

Stalker wrote:One problem. Back in Chimeri times there was no medium armor. Only Chitin. So he probably was wearing chiting armor. Plus I doubt it covered all his body. I guess it was pauldrons, gauntlets, greaves, boots and helmet (I know it was easier to say "everything except the cuirass" )

Well I was thinking that the armor is Chitin and Ordinators have based their Inodoril design on Nerevars chitin armour.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:30 am

But Ordinators armor is heavy armor (yes, I know that it is medium ingame but it was supposed to be heavy). Also it is not based on Indoril's but on St. Olms's (at least the helmet) - the founder of Ordinators.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:34 am

Well I just liked the idea of Nerevar resembeling house Indorils elites a little more but I can give it another shot then.

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:37 am

It would be expected that at least some of Lord Indoril Nerevar's armor was of Dwemeri manufacture. Such seems to be the feel of the sketch, at least it seems closer to that than it does to Bonemold.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:38 am

Veloth looks good, though a little stiff. Nerevar looks a little spiky, something none of the other saints have.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:26 am

Well since Nerevar is supose to inspire valor I wanted his pose to be inspirering. Don't worry I will make a new scetch that should be done in an hour.

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:30 am

I like the pose, but I agree that a lighter armor would be better.

Graff.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:47 am

Should I make a more detailed picture or redo the armor again?

[url]http://img183.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img183&image=stnerevar24qd.jpg[/url]

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:33 am

His armor should be toned down just a bit, and the moon and star symbols need to go. Replace them with an amulet around his neck that has the moon-and-star symbol, where they're together as one.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:35 am

Why do the Moon and Star symbols need to be toned down? I see no reason for this.
But Nerevar was a Chimer, and would have worn light armor, or no armor at all. He would have had a lot of skin showing.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:01 pm

Will do.

But I will keep the spikes since he should be recognised from the shrine.

How about giving him a shield with the moon and star on it since Trueflame is wielded in one hand?

Uldar · Post by **Uldar** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:18 pm

Just to ensure that no one gets the opinion of me as a lazy bum, here is a little thing I put together for the sake of reference when designing the statues of the saints...

It is all the Banner art for the saints, as provided by Bethesda.

Of particular interest to me was the fact that St. Relms and St. Nerevar have essentially the same image save for the fact that Relms has his name below the image written in daedric.

Also of special note for Asylum is the image on the static mesh in_velothismall_fresco_01 which has another pic of Veloth.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:00 pm

I see no reason why he shouldn't have a shield. Judging from the shrine image of him, he probably wore a cloth wrapping around the lower half of his face to allow him to breathe in ash storms, but he most likely didn't have a helmet other than this.

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:13 pm

It looks as if he has some sort of a flat hat, but I agree that he doesn't have a helm (Is he bald?).

Saint Lothis has a Boiled Netch or Chitin helm.

Felms has either Redoran Watchman's helm, or a Gondolier hat. He is armed with something resembling a Naginata.

Sotha Sil has either full or partial Daedric armor.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:19 pm

*cough* This is not a flat hat or Watchman's helm. This is halo. *cough*

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:20 pm

It looks as if he has some sort of a flat hat, but I agree that he doesn't have a helm (Is he bald?).

Saint Lothis has a Boiled Netch or Chitin helm.

Felms has either Redoran Watchman's helm, or a Gondolier hat. He is armed with something resembling a Naginata.

Sotha Sil has either full or partial Daedric armor.

Sotha Sil doesn't wear Daedric Armour. If you played Tribunal, you would know that he wears some kind of freaky green armor with a golden helm.

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 6:26 pm

Well the Nerevar image is the only one that is without ears so I would imagen he had some sort of headgear or a hood.

How about an Arbain clothwraping around the head? (Not aware of proper name fo the clothwraping)

Or I will just draw up a couple of heads for sugestion later.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:26 pm

Do we have any other saint statues made for TR in addition to the ones in the original game from Vivec (Olms and Delyn)?

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:38 pm

St. Felms.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:34 pm

So any progress on these ?

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:37 am

Is saint Roris a man? I want to take a crack at one of these.

Also, regarding Neravars mysterious circle above his head: I think it is some sort of halo. It's a triangle inside a circle. If you look carefully: Arlor, Rilms, Roris and Seryn all have them.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:54 am

Zal provides the answer from dialogue concerning St. Roris's sex, Thanks Zal

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Some other background on the saint (may not be true but it is Temple doctrine) :

He was martyred by Argonians just before the Arnesian war (tortured by wizards no less) for not renouncing the Tribunal and his name was a battle cry in that war. He is the patron of furnishers and caravaners.

-Starcrunch

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:58 am

St. Roris is a he.

From the quest where you get his robe:

"You have the Robe of St. Roris the martyr. It is the robe he wore when he was slain and was thus blessed with his blood."

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:58 am

lso, regarding Neravars mysterious circle above his head: I think it is some sort of halo. It's a triangle inside a circle. If you look carefully: Arlor, Rilms, Roris and Seryn all have them.

Yeap. All those circles above their heads are halos. As I already told earlier.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:26 am

I found a rather cool passage in 36 sermons 8 describing Nerevar tonight (althought it is only one sentence) and thought I'd post it: "Ayem approached Nerevar, who was adorned in the flags of house Indoril." This is a description of Vive

This passage has to do with Nerevar bringing the simulacrum that carries Vivec (before he is born or hatched depending on how you look at it) to Ayem in the city of Almalexia after slaying the merchant he was working for that would have taken the simulacrum to the Nords for more gold.

Thought it might make a beuatiful image for a statue in Almalexia...

-Starcrunch

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:55 pm

Here's a crack at Meris, supposed to be holding a sheave of whickwheat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/Macar/saint.jpg

Cjad the Nord · Post by **Cjad the Nord** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:22 pm

I'll take a crack at a few of them. Hoping, of course, that no one calls out sick from work tommorow. Either way, I'll have atleast one done by afternoon, Eastern time tommorow.

Cjad the Nord · Post by **Cjad the Nord** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:41 pm

Posting again to bump.

Anyway, I'm terrified by my own creation. I kep the eyes blank because, as a statue, I doubt there would be any inscribed detail to them. This was sort of a mistake, now it's just creepy.

Anyway, I drew Llothis BASED on the banner image, wrapped in a flage with a banner. The, er, "helm" in the reference was rather odd, and since I am terrible with faces, I thought I'd use this to expand my skill on the subject. Here is the final product.

[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/CjadtheNord/Scanned%20Art/LlothisStatue.jpg]Llothis Statue[/url]

Uldar · Post by **Uldar** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:35 pm

St. Aralor

[img]http://www.artwanted.com/images/large/17853_183146.jpg[/img]

If you would learn self-respect and respect for others, follow Saint Aralor the Penitent, Patron of Tanners and Miners. This foul criminal repented his sins and traveled a circuit of the great pilgrimages on his knees.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:59 pm

Uldar did his magic once more.
Amazing artwork.
I'll make something for a couple of these, sounds interesting.
Maybe something about Nerevar showing more skin.
The sex symbol among the saints lol.

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:35 pm

Nerevar
The Hero of Old
Is reborn

10 second haiku!