Pope John Paul II thread.

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:25 pm

Just a few minutes ago (1:00 pm, American Central time), Pope John Paul the 2nd died. I think that it is only appropriate that we have a thread about him here. Even non-Catholics, such as myself, had great respect for this man. If you wish to post something, please do, but treat this as a 'memorial' thread, not a debate of any manner.

John Paul II was 84, and the first non-Italian Pontif in 450 years. He was also the first Polish Pope ever. He was the most well-travelled and most linguistically skillful Pope in history. He was one of this centuries greatest pacifists, encouraging peace where it was at all possible, being the Catholic equivelant to Muhtme Ghandi. He was the first pope to set foot in a Jewish Synagogue since St. Simon Peter around 2000 years ago. Only really good things can really be said of this man. He corrected the scandels of the Church, he helped in the downfall of the U.S.S.R., he offered peace where others offered war, and made a point that though capitalism was important to the modern world, we should live for a higher purpose than just money. He maintained the traditions of the church, all the while, making ammends to Muslims and Jews for the past crimes commited upon them by Christians. He was truly a good man, by whatever standard, and was truly a good Christian, following the Bible to the dot of every i. May he truly rest in peace, and may we remember him and what good he did in the world. But let us also remember that his death should be neither cause for mourning nor sadness, for he walked this earth 84 years, surviving World War 2, and doing good all of those years, and he will be remembered, by both the faithful and the secular world. Amen (or The End for the secular).

Does anyone else wish to say anything?

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:33 pm

Someone else was watching this? I don't know really what to say. I've been watching for the last half hour.

Edit: I found something to say... Poor Popy.

Stumpytheguar · Post by **Stumpytheguar** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:34 pm

I wrote him an email... but I never got a response.

People get old, people die. I probably would have liked him more if he wasn't such a hard-presser for a return to traditional sex-roles in marriage.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:40 pm

I disagreed with many of his policies (most notably the one Stumpy mentions) but he did do a lot of good things in the world, and broguht many necessary changes to the Catholic church. While I may be an athiest, he represented much of what is good about religion and if someone can name a better (or more influential, for that matter) Pontiff in the last 1000 years I'd like to know who it was.

He will be sorely missed.

-Starcrunch

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:46 pm

I don't think any were really as good as him unless you go all the way back to the beggining.

Stumpytheguar · Post by **Stumpytheguar** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:49 pm

Indoril wrote:I don't think any were really as good as him unless you go all the way back to the beggining.

Yeah whatever happened to those good old popes who burnt people at the stake?

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:51 pm

I meant Peter. He wasn't necissarily a pope, but he was the first leader of the Church.

If you wish to post something, please do, but treat this as a 'memorial' thread, not a debate of any manner.

Please Stumpy, try to make this flame free, and let us please stay on topic for this thread.

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:52 pm

I think that's one of the things that THIS pope apologized for.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 4:57 pm

Indoril was almost certainly referring to St. Peter...who burned no one at the stake.

-Starcrunch

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:10 pm

Thankyou. Now let us return to the pertanent subject.

Any other comments of Pope John Paul II?

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:24 pm

He was a great guy. He had his own country, an awesome car, and even visited Cuba once. I'm going to be the pope some day.

Majra · Post by **Majra** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:06 pm

I thought he was a good guy, with the exception of a couple stances he took on certain things.

By saying abstinence is the only supported thing of the church, he proliferated the ignorance of sexually transmitted diseases. Much like reagan he has now doomed an entire continent to a raging pandemic.

He did however have compassion for all people, and believed that all were welcomed in the kingdom of god, and for that I have respect.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:30 pm

I have great respect for this man. May he rest in peace.

Silvone Elestahr · Post by **Silvone Elestahr** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:33 pm

I'm one of those classic ignorant American's. I really don't know much about him. Anyone want to enlighten me?

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:34 pm

There is a brief summary of his life on the first post up there.

Silvone Elestahr · Post by **Silvone Elestahr** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:37 pm

I'm also going blind I guess...

Sorry.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:29 pm

well, I hope that the new pope will be even more awesome than john paul II (if possible even).

Artemis Entreri · Post by **Artemis Entreri** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:46 pm

I heard he's going to be Italian( like the 100 other popes).Because Italy was mad that the pope was Polish.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:50 pm

never cared about the pope anyway... but it's not good when anyone dies.

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:00 pm

Artemis Entreri wrote:I heard he's going to be Italian( like the 100 other popes).Because Italy was mad that the pope was Polish.

I don't think they've decided that yet. I don't think they've started the Papal Polls (or whatever they're called).

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:36 am

The College of Cardinals will hold its preliminary hearings tommorrow (I'm ashamed I don't remember the proper name, this is the NEglish. As to a successor I do not believe there is currently a strong favorite. Time will tell who the winner is, certainly no one would have predicted that Karol Wojtyla would have been elected 26 years ago, but he was.

@Artemis - There have been 260 or so Popes, IIRC. John Paul II was the first non-Italian in 450 years, and while the Italians were disappointed in his selection, time and experience have largely reversed that verdict.

-Starcrunch

PaulShin · Post by **PaulShin** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:16 am

*sigh* Whole Poland cries. No other pope will be that great. I got the feeling that next pope (Italian on 99%) willl never move himself fro Vatican..

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:51 am

Pope John Paul II was certainly a charismatic leader, the effect the past day has had on Non-Catholics confirms that. He certainly had some good effects on the world in general, and the Catholic faith in particular during his term.

However, I'd have to agree with some of the other posters here, he did make some mistakes, especially concerning:

- Contraception
- Homosexuality
- Female Priests

Time will tell what will be our final view on the man. God bless his soul.

Graff.

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:03 pm

Ok, im not religious but Ill feel bad if I dont say something in this thread.
I'm sure the pope will rest in peace.
I wonder who the next pope will be? Well, It probably wont matter much to me anyhoo but still. Apparantly there was once an imposter woman pope and so now, they have a test where the perspective pope sits naked in a chair with a hole in the seat to make sure he is really a man. wierd eh?
anyway. Yes. Ive said something now. RIP Pope

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:14 pm

Massalinie wrote:Apparantly there was once an imposter woman pope and so now, they have a test where the perspective pope sits naked in a chair with a hole in the seat to make sure he is really a man. wierd eh?

Are you sure that's just not a rumor? I've never heard of anything like that.

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:18 pm

Yeh im sure, i know the whole story. Its true. The womans name i have forgotten but she dressed as a man (cant remember why) and became the pope (not entirely intentionally) and she had a lover who knew she was a woman, she got pregnant and gave birth in the middle of an impotant event and the killed her on the spot. and now they check everytime

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:24 pm

Where in the world did you here that from??

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:27 pm

My drama teacher. They made the story into a play. Its true i swear to god!

Indoril · Post by **Indoril** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:43 pm

It's true. My History Teacher (PHD) can tell me. I'll report back with it tommorow unless someone else posts it correctly.

S'Kala · Post by **S'Kala** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:03 pm

According to most versions, as the pope was mounting a horse, she went into labor and gave birth to a son. Moments later, some reports said, the crowd tied her feet to the horse's tail, then stoned her to death as she was dragged along a street.
But other versions showed her banished to a convent and living in penance as her son rose to become a bishop, I'm not sure which one to believe myself.

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:06 pm

Most of the popes' lives are documented pretty well, at least to a certain extent. What was this popes name and the years he was pope?

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:10 pm

She and I have no idea
@S'Kala: where did you get that information? you sound so itellectual compared to your usual

S'Kala · Post by **S'Kala** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:15 pm

I found it on the web and edited it so it made more sense. What do you mean from my usual?! I'm ALWAYS intellectual!

Barthelemy · Post by **Barthelemy** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:43 pm

You shouldn't write about the Pope because you most of you don't know what he did for the world. You only write that bad thing happened but all write this, because this is public opinion. TV say that good man died but for most people(especially when they are not from Europe) John Paul II was like the other pope, but he was different, but people do not understand that.

Don't write if you really know WHO died.

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:22 pm

This about what you have to say about the pope, besides, I haven't read a single negative comment about him so far. We may not know very well what he did. Probably just about as much as is in the first post. So we're writing about what we know about the pope.

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:34 am

@Barthelemy: I don't really understand what your saying.....

Timito · Post by **Timito** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:51 am

Anyone recall he made his own CD-Album? What makes this pope different from the one's before him is that he was always very open to the public.

The man did a lot for the world, not only for Christians, but for everyone.

Barthelemy · Post by **Barthelemy** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:17 am

Aaahhhh... Nevermind

We have national mourning to the Friday,when the Pope will be bury. Is this also in your countries??

(I hope you understand me)

Timito · Post by **Timito** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:01 pm

Nope, not really. I just read some dutch internet polls and they say only 19% of the ppl are touched by the pope's passing, the other 81% don't really care I think. He isn't so popular over here because he's conservative. Ah well... the next pope'll be conservative, gives us more to complain about.

Not meaning this disrespectfully in any way.

andreas of austevoll · Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:33 pm

Not in Norway either but Norway and dthe netherlands aren`t catholic lands so that must be the reason.