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Post by Garriath »

It's been a long year working with the Project. And, from what I've seen, TR's changed quite a bit.

When I joined, perhaps I was just ignorant, but TR seemed a solid, positive team that worked well and made excellent progress, each member complimenting another's works.

And now, my friends, where are we?

In the past few months, a great deal of our older members have left, either for RL issues or simply disappearing. And we've had more newbies come in.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not here to bash newbies; there are a number that've been great for TR. And a number have also sat around doing no work whatsoever. Now, neither of these approaches damage the Project. The real contributing members should have nothing to fear; professionals should only be offended by professionals. Theoretically.

However, that isn't what's been happening. TR's now lacking what it needs most. Sure, we have experts like Noirgrim who could single-handedly construct all of Morrowind's exteriors within a few months, and even some interior artists similarily prolific. However, we're needing- and missing- scripters. Either the people here that know scripting are hiding and/or not doing any work on it, or we've a severe lack of them. And we're also missing a fair supply of meshers and texturers. Currently the near entire brunt of this section is being carried on by Asylum and Morden. As a result, this makes progress slow. This's put members in bad moods, as seen in declining morale amongst our senior members. Even the Core recognized this when Kothloth made the warning post for the Lounge.

What I think the real problem is the outlook of our experienced members on this Project. When I joined, it seemed to be "This is our Project, let's work on it, but have fun. We've no deadlines, and this is for our fun alone." Then Dex and I (mostly Dex, I suppose) a few months back made the whole complaint thread that our message had instead changed to "We're the biggest Morrowind mod in existence, so our purpose is to work, not to enjoy ourselves. I will work harder. Arbeit macht frei." The issue was making the Project unenjoyable, but not heinous. Now, I think, things are different. Now we're at "We're here both to work and to have fun, therefore: those who don't should be kicked out, and we can have fun at anyone's else's expense. Coincidentally, I, the senior member here, of *course* know what's best." This can be easily seen just by looking at our dear friend Stalker's signature.

What was the final straw for me was 'archer armor' thread. A simple newbie joined, Th3anglehasland3d. Some'd say he wouldn't help. However, that had yet to be established, and, as I said above, sitting around being useless doesn't hurt the Project; these people aren't being paid. Our master mesher, Asylum, made a 'dare' mildly provacative; not something serious at all, but could, over the internet, have been taken as both a challenge and an insult. Our newbie chose to take it as an insult, and responded as to what he felt was in kind. He used the dreadful word only heard in the slimiest brothels of Baltimore (Sorry, Dex)... 'Smartmouth.'

Now, when I saw our 'dear brother TR-members'' reaction, I literally had to go and run a mile outside just to get my anger out. They set on him in a way disturbingly similar than the Southern lynchers must've acted when abducting and slaughtering African American citizens for sport in the 50's. OK, so it's fine for a newbie to be goaded, but if he retaliates, he gets threats of banning, phrases like
Don't you dare to attack Asylum!

He has done more models then you can imagine. You call him smartmouth, we ban you. Since Vorrheis left, Asylum is almost the only modeller we have left.

So shut the fuck up about Asylum, or his work.
OK, so now if a guy works hard for TR he gets the special privilage of censoring what people say about him? Let's go back to Nazi Germany. I'm sure all of us want to work for a TR Project just like that.

Provided we're the oppressors, of course.

Kasan, Graff, Stalker... I'm ashamed of you.

Anyway, at this point I'm so revolted with the common populace here at TR I can see little point in remaining here. I would send my direct hopes and compliments to the Core, though. They've done an admirable job and are full of- for the most part- excellent people. I only wish that our members wouldn't behave like immature children for them. I never looked into MEMod, but somehow I doubt they behaved with such blatent ignorance and mobness.

I may return, sometime. Not for a few months, anyway. I might help out for a few interiors in the future, but that'll be it.

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Post by sirwootalot123 »

damn straight.
I've been here for over an entire year, yet people *STILL* push me around as if I were lower; just because of my age, enthusiasm for TR (what they call "immaturity"), and their extra two weeks of time on the project. I also find myself lashing out agaisnt these poor new members in ways like that, though not often.
This project is starting to slide down the shitter, in all honesty. The only reason i'm staying is because I love to work on my claim (it's been my main free-time project for 14 months, after all).
You're not the only one who is sick of elitism.
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Post by Arthmodeus »

I fully agree with what Garriath and Sirwoot said. I can no longer post without fear of being flamed, threatened, and banned.

People, this is a GAME MOD. We aren't building the Pyrmids of Giza, here...

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Post by Vegor »

The core is certainly enough troubled by the elitism that is getting worse among older members. I must say I've even caught myself choosing sides of older members too fast. The problems in the thread you refer to are being taken very seriously and currently warnings are being spread out amongst those involved in it.

I have to stress this: Nobody, nobody will get threatened by anyone from the core for asking a stupid question or saying something wrong. Unless this is actually an action of elitism, flaming or deliberate spamming on itself. Currently, the consensus among the core is that elitism is the biggest problem on the forums and you can be sure it's being taken care of as good as it goes. I'm sure the members guilty to this know who they are.
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A careful balance has to be made. We simply can't let people be completely unruly on our forums. Already its the most out of control forum I've ever been on, nowhere outside of a current events/political forum have I seen such flaming, nor spamming ever. We're working on ways to improve things, but nothing is idiot proof.
There is one thing that is definite about misbehavior here:

Forum conduct is on your shoulders, not ours. If you all behave maturely on an individual basis, we'll have alot less problems to start with.


sirwoot, you did go overboard with the OMFGLOL posts. It normally wouldn't have been a huge deal, but you just did the wrong time, when frustration with spam and flames was coming to a boiling point, the same as with the "archer armor" thread. We've been saying "TR has been sliding down the shitter" for ages. Pick it up, drag it out and clean it up! get good discussions going about how to handle different aspects of TR. Us in the core do need to stop pretty much passing out "rulings" on issues, but sometimes we have to, too many people ask the same damn questions every day.

Garriath, can you not say th3angl3hasland3d was here to solely be a pest, much as bladmand was? Out of two years of observation of how people act here, rarely has a complete pest become anything other. While I agree, not doing anything doesn't hurt the project, he was doing something: building tension between members and instigating conflict. There are several members here who have been doing this. I am not afraid to name names, Der Gottlose, Stumpy, Sload Lord in particular, it may not be intentional but at best your posts come across as very blunt, at worst, downright hostile and provocative. Please tone it down a little and try to be more courteous.

Some elitism is unavoidable, but it should be among the well behaved instead of the old. I know personally, those who behave well I respect as much as anyone.

Don't go, don't let one instance send you away. Like I said, things were getting to a boiling point, and now the tension has steamed off, at least somewhat.
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1. We have some great scripters including Uldar Gerzae and Starcrunch who are actively working and contributing very much to TR. You are obviously unaware of it.

2. You must not have see any of Th3anglehasland3d's other posts. I've seen a number of unprovoked flames from him and other rude comments which shouldn't be tolerated on any forum. They escalated far beyond "smartmouth".

3. What you are mentioning has actually happened before. Its what you might call: "TR is not the same" threads. I've made them myself a few times. The truth is that the project itself has never actually changed a great deal, its more of ones perception then anything else. It occurs in cycles, which is not to say that they are without worth. These threads usually appear after a mini-crisis. Go back through the forums to late 2003/early 2004 and you'll find elitism threads. My solution was to stop visiting the forums as much and do other things.

4. On a side note, I find your comparison of this community to Nazis Germany and southern American lynch mobs, to be over dramatic and very offensive.
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stalker, me, noir, are all great scripters as well

Its easy to say this project is goin down the shitter. Ive been here a while, the project may not be as "sexy" anymore, but it is certainly in one of the best shapes Ive seen it in. So just saying outlandish inflammatory things like that without any specific reference to how its goin down the shitter is pretty retarded in my mind.

But, its a free country. Personally I think anyone with such a pessimistic outlook on the project without actually looking at the status of things should just go ahead and leave, we dont need that kinda attitude. Although I can see how you would think so, if you were to only cruise around lookin for the stuff thats bad, like new people arguements and so forth. The point is, we have had a lot worse flames, a lot worse spam, and a way lot worse productivity in the past, so dont tell us its goin down the shitter, cause there are no real signs of that.

This will be continued later, as for now I am much to busy with RL to be worried by uneducated stuff like this.
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yes, those comparisons are excessive, we don't go around censoring people or ideas we don't like. We only ban people who are consistently disruptive or lock threads that are turning into flame wars.

I've got an idea!
"Mod for a week"- we rotate members on and off of mini mod positions that people have over particular forums (ex stalker and vernon for OoT or jacarutu for lit) Over the tavern and lounge, where most spam and flames occur. People will then see just how frustrating it is to have to clean up the mess of these forums and perhaps be less inclined to spam, flame and otherwise be a pest.
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I suppose since everyone is being painfully blunt here, I feel a bit more comfortable coming out of the shadows and posting my inner thoughts regarding the status of Tamriel Rebuilt as a whole. Sad to say, it is not entirely positive from where I am standing.

I was asked to come to Tamriel Rebuilt in the early summer of last year, mainly for my Sisterhood of the Spider project. Thus far, I have contributed some literature, basic lore for the Sisterhood, a few pieces of concept art, and am currently aiding with the Daedric Cults aspect. During the duration of my membership, I have had many disappearances all due to "real life" getting in the way, so my contributions are quite meager (so I've been told) due to time constraints. Also, since I do not possess the talent to mod or script, I have been unable to assist Tamriel Rebuilt in this manner. This did not seem to be an issue until within the last couple of months where I have been made to feel as if I am simply "dead weight" on this project because I am just a mere "dreamer" and not a "worker."

In addition to the aforementioned, I have seen a serious decline in the quality of postings on this message board. Brutally honest here... it really pisses me off to see the multitude of useless threads get far more attention than the sections dealing directly with the project such as the modding sections or even concept art. Quite frankly, if I wanted to see bullsh*t threads about nothing, I'll go over to TES Official Forums.

I do have a point here. I have also become disenchanted with Tamriel Rebuilt mainly for the reason I previously stated and have considered leaving myself. The question that cycles through my mind is how are we supposed to get this project done if we are focusing on flaming/spamming, holding polls with absolutely no point (not even fun), scaring new members into submission, and giving little to no feedback to people who are trying to contribute? The atmosphere of Tamriel Rebuilt has gone from semi-professional to Romper Room.

At this point, I have decided to stay with the project, even if I am viewed as a useless member. Despite the negative points outlined, I still have this hope that we will pull together and remember what our true focus should be.
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Morden wrote:1. We have some great scripters including Uldar Gerzae and Starcrunch who are actively working and contributing very much to TR. You are obviously unaware of it.
Apparently I am. I appologize to both of these people I have overlooked.
2. You must not have see any of Th3anglehasland3d's other posts. I've seen a number of unprovoked flames from him and other rude comments which shouldn't be tolerated on any forum. They escalated far beyond "smartmouth".
I accept that this particular person might not have been exactly pleasant to deal with. However, in the issue at hand he did not escalate past 'smartmouth' and, regardless of what he did, our members should have known much better than to descend to his level.
3. What you are mentioning has actually happened before. Its what you might call: "TR is not the same" threads. I've made them myself a few times. The truth is that the project itself has never actually changed a great deal, its more of ones perception then anything else. It occurs in cycles, which is not to say that they are without worth. These threads usually appear after a mini-crisis. Go back through the forums to late 2003/early 2004 and you'll find elitism threads. My solution was to stop visiting the forums as much and do other things.
I accept this viewpoint easily. However, what I find is that what made TR enjoyable for me was the real community, and with the situation I generally see now in the forums, there's little of that left, so I'm feeling like I'd rather leave this place behind, if you understand me.
4. On a side note, I find your comparison of this community to Nazis Germany and southern American lynch mobs, most notably the Ku Klux Klan, to be over dramatic and very offensive.
I do appologize for this; however, as most could probably tell, the particular topic- not to mention the full situation with the forums- has made me very offended indeed as well, and perhaps prone to action demanding. However, I do see your point, and again, make a full appology to those whom I likewise offended.
Its easy to say this project is goin down the shitter. Ive been here a while, the project may not be as "sexy" anymore, but it is certainly in one of the best shapes Ive seen it in. So just saying outlandish inflammatory things like that without any specific reference to how its goin down the shitter is pretty retarded in my mind.
I do think that the thread I referenced was fairly specific, however, I'm at that point where I'd be much happier without the project. Perhaps I was overly optimistic beforehand, or perhaps I simply've been viewing the wrong posts, but I'm afraid I'm at the point where it doesn't matter so much.
But, its a free country. Personally I think anyone with such a pessimistic outlook on the project without actually looking at the status of things should just go ahead and leave, we dont need that kinda attitude. Although I can see how you would think so, if you were to only cruise around lookin for the stuff thats bad, like new people arguements and so forth. The point is, we have had a lot worse flames, a lot worse spam, and a way lot worse productivity in the past, so dont tell us its goin down the shitter, cause there are no real signs of that.

This will be continued later, as for now I am much to busy with RL to be worried by uneducated stuff like this.
Perhaps this is so. However, what I derived from the Project before was the community. The progress was uplifting, yes, but seeing people work together and having a generally overall positive community was very inspiring. However, now the only 'good' news I see on the forums is what we've physically accomplished, and from that, I find we get the message more like "help us make Tamriel" rather than "be part of the community dedicated to making Tamriel, and help out in your own way." There's a difference.
yes, those comparisons are excessive, we don't go around censoring people or ideas we don't like. We only ban people who are consistently disruptive or lock threads that are turning into flame wars.
As I stated in my first post, I've a great deal of respect for the Core. I'm not accusing you guys of anything at all, it's the non-core members that've made me feel this way.

I do value all of these comments, though. Thank you for your time.
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VA, who's considered you "dead weight"? nobody is dead weight here.
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Yes, well, hmm...about Th3anglehasland3d, he posted obese pronography. It was promptly deleted, but not before I happened to gaze upon it. *shudders*


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Vyvara Araneae wrote:This did not seem to be an issue until within the last couple of months where I have been made to feel as if I am simply "dead weight" on this project because I am just a mere "dreamer" and not a "worker."
This is really not the case. You might get this impression because the forums are so focused on getting work done.

Perhaps you've ever heard of writing being 10% inspiration and 90% transpiration? I believe it's a quote from a Dutch author, but it means that writing alone is 90% hard work and only 10% inspiration. Because writing (concepts, quests, books, etc. etc., the things you're mainly working on) things is only a portion of the work here, most of the forums are actually about implanting everything into the game which needs more coordination. This has nothing to do with the value, just because of the quantity and coordination it takes makes it more of a subject on the forums.

Without good ideas, the project will become uninspired and die out. So people like you who come up with ideas are most certainly a very welcome addition, just as hard working people are to make your ideas actually come to life in the game. It goes both ways.
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anyone who is putting down new members, anyone who ever did, has been harshly scolded my good members. Its not to say that when a person does this, he isnt a good member, he is just emotional, or pissed about other things and speaks out of turn.

The point is, and I agree on this thought with Garriath I believe, people who cant say something nice shouldnt say jack shit. Dont over step your place. If you see someone causing real trouble on the forums, Im not talking about critiquing something, or even saying some form of an insult, if you see someone posting nude pictures, or hacks, or anything that causes real issues. Tell the core, we will deal with it. Those kinda members are not wanted here, and I dont care if they are great modders or great writers, or great scripters, if they dont wanna play by the rules there ass is fucking out for good.

That doesnt make us elite, it makes us law abiding, and rule abiding. We dont ban, or feel elite against people who come here for other reasons. I dont care if you are simply a lurker who has never posted, we wont treat you any differently. VA, I cant believe you would think this forum thinks of you as dead weight, anytime I see you on here I have always told you how great I think you are. And your writings are magnificent. I feel the same about Earl, and Jac, who have never modded before. Turelio is a great lore person. These people contribute in their way, you dont have to use the CS to be part of the community. Even if you spend all your time in the lounge, I really dont care, as long as you dont start trouble in the lounge.

The people we want gone are the bad guys, people who directly and harshly provocate fights, post lude materials, etc. Everyone else I make a point personally if possible to welcome into the forums.
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I must apologize. Many times I have said that the forums are a place to get work done. Thats just how my mind works. I just want to get it done. The way I have been raised (and i don't really like it), I've been taught that work is the most important thing you can do. Though what my parents failed to teach me is the easiest way to get it done is by having fun doing it. I just seem to forget that sometimes.

I can see where VA is coming from. A few members were getting angry that so many people were giving ideas for scripts, etc., but not actually making them. Every time a new member came on and said that they could contribute ideas, but could not script, I flinched in fear of them being told that their "ideas" were not needed. We need someone who could script. Now, don't get me wrong. They weren't all that bad. It just kind of seems that way, and someone could easily have taken what was said wrong.
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show me examples of people who said that (Im not as omnipresent as I used to be on these forums, and these things must have slipped past me in the past couple weeks due to my ridiculous RL currently) But show me this, I need to know the people who stepped out of line and said something like that, because that is not our policy. If there are ideas, the ideas should be posted (in the appropriate places and in a logical way so people can understand it... ie not something like I think poop roxors)

I am warning people right now, me koth and noir are very trigger happy with ban buttons ok? If we see any of this kinda bullshit occuring from members, I dont care if you have been here before I started, or if you are a moderator, I dont care, you will be banned if you are doing these kinda things, it is not up to any specific person to make bold policy statements like that, That is why we have a core of members who discuss things.
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Thats seriously quite a lot of threads to search...but I will try.

And like I said, it wasn't very direct, and they probably didn't realize what they said.
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I think its time the core looks into assigning a moderator to look over only the forums. We have discussed it before, but it was frowned upon, but maybe its time.
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Lately things at Tamriel Rebuilt have been worrying.

I was going to leave the project a week ago, for a number of reasons; I think only Stalker knows why, though some of the more astute amongst you might be able to guess. Stalker convinced me to stay and I am grateful to him for this. I find Stalker to be one of the most respectable people at TR; for his work ethic, his knowledge of lore and scripting, and his steadfastness. If he flamed a New Member for insulting Asylum; more fool Stalker. However, he can hardly be blamed considering that he has spent the last few months approving and testing Asylum's work.

Onto the main point: TR is an enormous project, especially considering the young age of much of the members. I have noticed however that a few members see TR as purely a mod project. This is not necessarily the whole truth. TR is also a phenomenon and many members see it that way. Telling these people it isn't is akin to telling a Brit that football is just a game. What I am saying is that these members who see it as just work must open their eyes to the other side of things, because a divide is rapidly becoming apparent. I believe the problems this divide causes encompasses all aspects of the project.

Dexter has already discussed the issue of middle members, but I would like to expand and vary on that. At one extreme, there are members who see the forum as the main part of the project, and will spend much of their time admiring people's work, discussing lore and chatting in the lounge. At the other extreme, there are members that post very rarely, but do much of the project's work. Bang in the middle we have members who do a good deal of work for the project, but feel they want to get to know other members and participate in group discussion. If these three groups of people remain ignorant of each other's existence, we are going to have a major problem on our hands, and the time to deal with it is now.

I am fairly certain I am correct in saying this – I have been here quite a while and have seen the project go through highs and lows. In fact, I believe these last few weeks have beared witness to one of the lowest periods I have seen yet; even though we have reached a stage where we can look back at our work and really be proud. I think this is why such points in time are often called 'critical stages' – people become very involved in their own area that they fail to appreciate why other people are having problems.

So basically, as the project grows in size so do its needs. I am unsure of how the problem can be addressed. We can continually talk about it and make suggestions as the day is long, but a problem such as this needs a quick and simple solution.

Last time an issue similar to this was discussed, the core arranged a couple of things. One thing was for a New Member's Forum to be devised. I still don't believe this has happened yet, by definition. All that has truly been done with this is the physical forum on the portal and a discussion about the manner of greeting new members were receiving. New Members are still not directed towards the information they need. They are still not being aided as much as they may require. Obviously it would be ideal for them to figure it all out for themselves, but we don't live in an ideal world. To make an analogy, if the new members are baby lambs, they have no shepherd. I am no fan of authority, management or middle management, but lets not kid ourselves that creating a separate forum for New Members is enough to deal with the issue.

...but I digress – let's not just focus on the new members. A bigger issue we will need to deal with concerns middle members, and I believe this was discussed briefly by Ender in his last big post. However, I am completely at a loss as to how that issue could be dealt with. All I know is that middle members who do a lot of work are often left feeling distraught, neglected and dispensable. I know I haven't been a pin-up member as of late, but I also know that I haven't been that awful either. It is certainly easy to lay blame on a demographic when that demographic is more vocal than another.
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My dear sir, Mr. Eraser, I am offended! I have never, and I gladly endorse a check of all of my posts, been rude without something I considered "provocative." Thus I have never instigated tension.

Der Gottlose grew angry one day, and only one day, because of someone who has annoyed many members. Others have made more subtle comments about it. I have spoken to the member in question and he is simply young. I would've been worse than him when I was 12 (I do not know how old he was).

Stumpy is blunt, yes. He is ruder than he should be, sometimes. But he can work hard (not that he does). He is smart. He is certainly not the rudest member here.

Have you considered that every post you make is covered with rudeness? Every single one. I point you to your avatar. It is very offensive. How do you think someone who had 6 hours a day to work on quests, scripting, and models would feel if he was browsing the forum, saw your post, and also was a Republican? If it was one of the first pots he saw, I'm sure he'd feel unwelcome (and maybe angry) and just leave. That is a useful member down the drain because of the way you feel to express your political values. Note that I am not at all in support of any of Bush's policies that I've seen.

I could name names as well. One member comes to mind from whom I could quote many examples of absolute flames. I like him, though, because of things like his post in this thread. I wont name names, however, because I'm what you would call "afraid."

th3angl3hasland3d would be banned right now if I was incharge. I am entirely against posting pornography of any kind, particularily when you're doing it to insult someone. He had not, however, posted anything of the sort when the issue Garriath speaks of had happened. He was just a new member who didn't know how things worked here. I'm not as annoyed that they got mad at him for calling a member a "smartmouth" (which I'm sure atleast one of them has done in the past, just by probability) but because they said that he couldn't call Asylum a smartmouth. Specifically Asylum because of what he had done. I almost posted there about it, but decided not to.

There is another member who has posted multiple times with severe elitism. You can't talk to x member that way because he has put in y months here. He also has condescended new members who had read the FAQ as though they had not. People like him need to get it through their heads that not every new member knows nothing. I had known of TR for 10 months, and been to TR for 2 before I even decided to join.
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Sload lord, I dont care if someone calls you something so ridiculously horrible that I can not say so in a public setting

It is not up to you to fight back, ok? Point ended. These are not your forums, you will not fight back and create a fight. If you want that person truly punish you directly tell me. You DO NOT SAY ANYTHING BACK

I dont care about provocation, the point is, this forum is not yours, it is not your duty, or within your rights to defend it against people you feel are bad for it. End story, Im sorry I have to be harsh, but harsh times require tough people
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Seriously, dont tempt me
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Sload Lord wrote:There is another member who has posted multiple times with severe elitism. You can't talk to x member that way because he has put in y months here. He also has condescended new members who had read the FAQ as though they had not. People like him need to get it through their heads that not every new member knows nothing. I had known of TR for 10 months, and been to TR for 2 before I even decided to join.
You are clearly talking about me and I'll be the first to admit my faults. I am an honest person. I take extreme offence to the insinuation that I have behaved in an elitist manner and find it completely unfounded. Much of what you may have felt would be contextual and based on opinion. This is not a time to discuss your opinion of me and everyone else - it is a time to fix the problems TR faces.
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well said vernon

It isnt a time to point fingers. I have not seen Vernon step out of line. He has always come to me first about bad members who are doing very bad things. I trust him.

Vernon, dont take this trust and destroy it.

This is a time for solutions, not for argument. I have already talked to both garriath and Vernon about all of this (btw I am having a horrible RL week this week because of school work, and I am devoting a lot of my time that I should be to RL to helping TR get through this... so seriously everyone needs to suck on my left nut right now for 20 seconds and thank the lord that I am willing to do this for the project cause this is definetly not something I need at the current moment)
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Gooble seriously, I asked you nicely to stay out of this discussion. Even if you are not posting anything inflammatory, you are messing up the discussion.

This is not the time and place.

In fact, since I have discussed things with garriath, this public discussion is over. I will move it to the admin forum for actual discussion on solutions. If others have specific things they wish to add to that discussion by the core, please PM it. But I ask until the core has atleast discussed it further, than public discussion be suppressed. Not trying to stifle, just want the core to be able to propose something before the discussion gets bad
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gooble, WHY oh WHY did you have to quote my most inflammatory post ever before I realised it weas too inflammatory?
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I do not mean to offend sload, but in my eyes at least, some posts appear to goad at a getting a negative response. As I said, it may not be intentional at all, I can only read the text, not what everyone is thinking. again, I think you're taking things out of context. " I wont name names, however, because I'm what you would call "afraid.""
No, I would not call you afraid.

"Have you considered that every post you make is covered with rudeness? Every single one"
Do they really or is that rhetorical?

If so, I have no intention of being rude, I will admit to being easily frustrated and impatient. as I've said, the same questions every day, nonsense spam and arguments become incredibly detrimental to one's mood.
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No more discussing this until the core discusses everything, that includes you eraser. And it is not the point of this thread to point fingers or start more fights
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