Quest idea: Adventures in advertising

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:22 pm

A shop in a city has had some trouble getting customers. so when you walk in to buy an item (preferably food, and definitely not weaponry) he suggests that you could wear his special (item) suit for advertising purposes. The longer you wear it and your reputation could figure in to the reward. Also you could get extra money if you were to wear it all around the country side. (by now you should have a picture of a guy in a giant pie suit killing Dagoth Ur) I thought this quest would add some nice comic relief.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:59 pm

Wow normaly when I post something stupid like this I get insulted. Did everyone just miss this or is this really just a horrendous idea?

CommonsNat · Post by **CommonsNat** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:01 pm

This is an okay idea. I don't see anything wrong with it.

Oh, and if anyone ever insults you, just tell me.

They're not supposed to be doing that.

Vegor · Post by **Vegor** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:02 pm

I actually find the idea very amusing. Walking around in a robe with advertisement on it for a certain shop. Perhaps personality and/or reputation should also play a role in it. After all, who wouldn't want a charismatic hero to do a bit of advertisement for them?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:06 pm

I was thinking that this could be associated with the shop that sells pies in Firewatch. (Just think of the screen shots)

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:21 pm

The hardest part of this is someone needs to retexture a robe to have the advertisment on it...

-Starcrunch

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:14 pm

My original idea was not for an actual robe but a piece of clothing that looks like the item being sold in the shop. (such as a giant pie held up by suspenders.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:04 pm

Eating our pies will provide you with enough strength to can kill Dagoth Ur ! Actually you can kill Dagoth Ur with our pies.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:55 pm

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:My original idea was not for an actual robe but a piece of clothing that looks like the item being sold in the shop. (such as a giant pie held up by suspenders.

What type of clothing would it be? Amulets don't show up. Besides that, a pie around your neck is a little to out of place.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:00 pm

It would have to be grieves (or however the pants armor is spelled). I was thinking it would sort of look like clown pants, only the top looks like a pie top, and the pants stop a little above the knee, looking like the crust and bottom of the pie.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:35 am

We could make it a bit more script-friendly in terms of the reward system. Instead of simply walking from place to place, why not go up to people and try to convince them to buy the product? Speechcraft could play a huge role here. You would have to convince people up to, say 75+ disposition in order for them to buy the product you are advertising. That way, a renowned hero such as the Nerevarine would have no problem, because who wouldn't want to eat the same pie as Nerevar (oooo, sexual connotations). At the same time, a new player, who has no reputation, cheap clothes, and bad persuasion skills will have a hard time getting the townsfolk to buy the product he is endorsing.
The reward could be commission on each person you convince, in addition to a reputation point every ten people or so.
I like this idea.

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:22 am

I might be able to do the model, though I have never physiqued a pie before! A pie suit would be hilarious, but are you sure a retextured robe would not suffice?

Stalker wrote:Eating our pies will provide you with enough strength to can kill Dagoth Ur ! Actually you can kill Dagoth Ur with our pies.

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Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:45 am

A robe is the way to go because otherwise a robe can be used to cover up the advertisment...

-Starcrunch

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:03 pm

good point, and if it on a robe and not an actual item suit then we wouldn't be limited to only pies and items such as that.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:44 pm

When it's over it'd be a nice touch to have a "pastry expert" in the store tasting pies, and to have the owner suddenly dressed in fancy clothes.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:48 pm

maybe we could add in a script to make him expand his shop (wares and the actual building) and have him hire some help. We could even add a script that 300 days (or so) later you go back and find out that the East Empire company wants to buy his shop, and you have to help him decide. You could help him chhose whether to take the offer, ask for more, or just keep the store himself.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:59 pm

Also the Bakery in FW has a huge number of NPC customers in it already...so why would he need more buisness (then again it can easily be scripted that they don't appear until the player performs this quest).

-Starcrunch

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:00 pm

Or you could just cut the bugger, eat his pies and lift his meagre possessions.

j/k

Would you be able to draw a sketch of the advertisement for the robe rextexture?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:03 pm

hm then maybe this should happen in some other pie shop.

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:04 pm

Well bakeries aren't exactly common... I rather like the idea of putting scripts on the NPC's to only make them appear after the quest. Plus we could write some unique dialogue for them that would be priceless.

-Starcrunch

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:06 pm

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:hm then maybe this should happen in some other pie shop.

I'll be submitting the NPC for Bal Oyra's bakery later today. She is secretly a lesbian, but another NPC (also to be submitted) is spreading it around that "there's something fishy going on." Perhaps that could be worked into it?

Starcrunch · Post by **Starcrunch** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:11 pm

Biggest problem with Bal Oyra is the overarching quets there, sometimes there is a bakery sometimes there is not (I don't think it exists if the player takes the Telvanni side, though to be sure PM Inferno_St1ke).

-Starcrunch

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:18 pm

the "fishy thing could be some rumors going around about the bakery's quality. (I could have sworn she didn't kill the scrib in my pie! etc.) and the person needs you to help them regain business.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:30 pm

Starcrunch wrote:Biggest problem with Bal Oyra is the overarching quets there, sometimes there is a bakery sometimes there is not (I don't think it exists if the player takes the Telvanni side, though to be sure PM Inferno_St1ke).

-Starcrunch

There is. It's called Ilnori Pelelius's Bakehousepod. I know, crazy.

And Thrignar, the fishy thing is that they're lesbians. This isn't approved of in Tamriel, so it's just a little flavor I added.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:31 pm

well some bigot (or a group) in town might be trying to drive them out of business

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:55 pm

Thrignar Fraxix wrote:well some bigot (or a group) in town might be trying to drive them out of business

They're secretive about it. At 70 disposition they'll hint at it, at 90 they'll hint at it blatently. A woman in town, however, thinks that they're lesbians and is gossiping about it. This could easily detract from their business.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:11 pm

she might also be using other stories to divert some of their more tolerant business away.

(I could have sworn she didn't kill the scrib in my pie! etc.)

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:30 am

Starcrunch wrote:Well bakeries aren't exactly common... I rather like the idea of putting scripts on the NPC's to only make them appear after the quest. Plus we could write some unique dialogue for them that would be priceless.

-Starcrunch

I agree with this idea. I think customers appearing after player's PR campaign would be cool.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon May 30, 2005 10:12 pm

I just realized Vernon asked for a picture. This is basically what I was thinking. (Upon realizing a giant pie held up by suspenders would have collision problems)

ChickenHawk · Post by **ChickenHawk** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:51 pm

i like it:D
brings up the human sides of nerevarine, and helps to create the certain mood of the game as you were playing someones real life in a not-so-much-real world:)

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:17 pm

Hmm...
I'm not too sure about having the player wear around a robe with a pie icon on it (or whatever the player is selling). That seems a bit too far off from the original game to be believable.

ChickenHawk · Post by **ChickenHawk** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:21 am

err. you're right, on second thought.
but it would bring more to play, and it wouldn't hurt lore so much.
ps. it sounds fun too:D

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:53 am

Dexter's right, simply convincing more people to join might be better.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:25 pm

maybe instead of a pie icon it could have some text. It could say something like eat at joes only in dunmeri (is that right?)

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:03 am

Erm...I think by "No pie" he meant "No new retexture." That's what I meant, anyways.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:57 am

That sort of destroys the whole purpose....

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:02 am

yes it does, I recognize that a pie on a robe would break lore, but i don't see how the dunmeri equivalent of eat at joe's could be a problem

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:14 am

In Tamriel, people just advertise by word of mouth. You dont see giant billboards in Vvardenfell that say: EAT AT THE SOUTH WALL! or people wearing robes with pies on them.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:34 am

it does not break lore because lore does not say "No one uses clothing as ads in Nirn"
It is a possible that one guy came up with the idea of ads of clothes, and that person is a baker...so this baker gets his friend the talyor to make a specail robe for his bakey, then the baker gives it to a free lancer adventure, and to take care of script problems just have it when you talk to people like "Oh what a odd robe, 'EAT AT JOES' you know i think i will"

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:56 am

maybe we could add a script that makes other store keepers say, "Now why didn't I think of that?" (I don't think this is possible)

Perhaps this hasn't been done before because it never occured to the citizenry. I don't know much about the history of fashion, but isn't the idea of logos on clothing relativly new? (in the real world)