Guar Races

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:45 pm

I think cockfights would be so much better. It seems very Dunmeri to make creatures fight each other. It would give them a sense of power.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:49 pm

actually yeah, that's a good idea, something like Russian bear-fighting or Spanish bull rings; the Dunmer sending beast-race slaves to fight creatures to the death for money and entertainment. I don't know much about scripting (actually nothing) but that could be done, right?
To be honest though, the Dunmer in the game itself are a lot more refined and civilized than they were originally planned to be in the early design documentation (although the Mainland could be a little more wild)

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:52 pm

I had the idea of it being in a Hlaalu city, infact my concept needs only one simple new mesh if it's in Hlaalu. They're imperialized, so it'd be fine. And yes, it is a rather short racetrack.

As for fights, a slave fighting arena would be great in Tear.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:52 pm

It could be done easily, though I don't know the exact script. It has something to do with assigning an ID to be hostile toward another ID.

@Sload: It would be awesome. Since there's a Sload in Tear, it reminds me of a Jabba the Hutt style thing.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:55 pm

ah cool. And what about things like tests of strength, or is that a little too Happy Circus? It seems that Dunmer are pretty proud and stubborn, and as such would want to prove their mettle. Though that kind of thing is maybe best left for Skyrim

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:56 pm

The Dunmer aren't particularily strong. They'd rather watch their slaves or animals compete than compete themselves. 'cept the Redoran warrior folks. They like to fight eachother for some twisted "honor" thing.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:01 pm

yeah, true. So could you script it so that a random creature comes out to fight each time? so that, say, firstly a dwemer centurion comes out, then next time 5 or 6 scribs (or something small)?

Thane · Post by **Thane** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:05 pm

slaves vs. slaves, slaves vs. beasts, beasts vs. beasts, should be the three types of dunmeri 'cock-fighting'

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:10 pm

yup. The money question though; could you get in and fight these things yourself as part of the arena's schedule, or at least bet on fights? Because to be honest, if you can't then there's not much point in including something like this; it'll give an illusion of depth, but then get boring very quickly and ulitmately disappoint.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:17 pm

Betting on fights is, again, a different discussion. It is planned, though.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:58 pm

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Salem_Hlaalu · Post by **Salem_Hlaalu** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:35 pm

This seems like Idea but what towns would be in exactly. But I have an idea can you like add and take out sopme things in this idea. Like what one guy said that Guars are like for farming uses. Think of something more sensible... Here are Ideas.

Rats
Scribs (may not be a good Idea.)
Kagouti ( I dont know if they cant be tamed.)
Wolves (if they can be in Vvardenfell. But can be in Skyrimm region.
etc...

Be realistic! And write out a list of pros and cons or in other words a good and a bad side of the idea. Play Morrowind, Tribunal, or Bloodmoon to help to get Ideas going!

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:48 pm

Um...I think that easily tamed and trained guars are more realistic than rats (there's not even something to say there), hostile larva creatures, and huge killer monsters. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Salem_Hlaalu · Post by **Salem_Hlaalu** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:59 pm

Why not rats? In the Morrowind Game of the Year Edition for XBOX. In Mournhold there is a guy who like sells pets and Rats ARE FRICKIN' PETS!!!!!!! SO WHY NOT RATS IT WOULD BE COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:03 pm

He's right, there are tamed rats in the game. And remember the rats that the Hlaalu Nord dude kept? Rats would be faster than guars, and it would make things easier. A race track for rats would be much easier to build than a race track for guar.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:06 pm

Not really, Dexter, it would just be smaller. It'd be much less spectacular too, more like something some guys get together and do in their basement. Like poker or whatever. Guars are more expensive, though, so they'd be much more like horse races. They even have the same function as horses regularily. That is, as beasts of burden.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:14 pm

True, a guar race would be more spectacular. But think in terms of practicality here. Guar are not fast animals, nor are they intelligent. This would make training them to race a long and expensive proscess, while the results wouldn't be as grand as they could be.
Rats, on the other hand, are cheap, fast and smart. Smarter than guar anyway. Just because they aren't as big doesn't mean the event won't be as spectacular. Look how popular cockfights are.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:16 pm

I just can't imagine betting on a rat race. It'd be an interesting thing in the basement of some large manor or something.. I picture Hlaalu, don't know why.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:18 pm

I can much more imagine people betting on a rat race. Rats are more likely to complete the race quickly. With guar, not only are they slow, but I can picture any of them losing interest in the race and wandering off to go be cute somewhere.
Plus, imagine how big a guar race track would have to be. If this gets put in Blacklight, we don't want it to dominate the entire town. It should be a sideshow, not the main attraction.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:29 pm

Eh, I guess so. Maybe an interior track would be better, though, for such small creatures.

Salem_Hlaalu · Post by **Salem_Hlaalu** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:58 pm

Now we have the agreement going for the rat race. But where should this rat race be? I mean as such maybe in Hlaalu Counties? But what could be the size, the difficulty, and where?

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:04 pm

It would be perfect for Narsis and Tear. They seem to have very large underground communities.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:02 am

Why would it be udnerground, Arthmodeus? And Tear doesn't seem to have to much "crime." Sure, there is breaking of Imperial laws, but that's not a crime in Tear.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:27 am

I don't know, gambling just seems kind of seedy to me. Plus, large cities would mean more spectators which would mean more money.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:31 am

I think that gambling is far from seedy in Tamriel. It's only thought of as seedy in the U.S. because of the crime that often comes with large amounts of money.

groza528 · Post by **groza528** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:56 am

Rat races are supported by lore too. Yngling Half-Troll owns racing rats, does he not? This also opens up quest ideas for fixing the race/stopping someone else from fixing the race (which is also true of guars I guess; just wanted to put the idea out there.)

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:58 am

Not racing rats: Fighting rats.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:38 am

fighting rats? i don't know sounds kind of dumb....It would be too boring for me, fighting robots is cool, fighting demons is cool, fighting naked nords is cool (but gay) but fighting rats....I don't know...

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:51 am

They were for cockfights. People bet on them...

I was commenting on the post before mine.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:00 am

Littlebros, not only have you been asked not to connot homosexuallity as a "bad" lifestyle, but there has been an issue around the same thing in this very thread. I get enough of that crap at school, thankyou much.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:35 am

Cockfights are extremely popular in Central America and Asia. Since there are no chickens in Morrowind, and the Dunmer have a culture that shares many similarities with Central America and Asia, it is a safe bet that rat fights are a big thing. Plus, considering that the Dunmer don't give a shit about animal rights, they would be 100% legal, and therefore even more popular.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:54 pm

Sload Lord wrote:Littlebros, not only have you been asked not to connot homosexuallity as a "bad" lifestyle, but there has been an issue around the same thing in this very thread. I get enough of that crap at school, thankyou much.

When I said it would be gay for Nords to fight naked i mean it would be homosexual, for Nords to fight naked.
In real life there is much more blood and gore with cockfights, in Tamriel all there is is little bits of blood, and then the rat rolling over dead

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:07 pm

littlebros wrote: When I said it would be gay for Nords to fight naked i mean it would be homosexual, for Nords to fight naked.

Worked for the first olympics

Two naked men does not necessarily equal homosexuality.

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:03 pm

@Jale: Very true.

Spartans used to exercise naked, as it was apparently good for the health.

Plus, with the amount of Naked Nords walking around Vvardenfell, who's going to care?

Graff.

Salem_Hlaalu · Post by **Salem_Hlaalu** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:42 pm

I wonder... Instead of people getting the weird of naked nords is screwing my head up... So I am going to say that NO NAKED NORDS> I HATE QUESTS LIKE THAT SO I AVOID IT! So I am going to say that Rat Races is okay now. And we are not going into Yngling-Half Troll I hate him too. (sorry) I shouyld be sorry cause I am in Hlaalu House. Well he was a pain when I was trying to become Hortator of Hlaalu HouseIt was hard to raise his despostion to 70 just by bribing him. I so wanted to kill him. But I was on my last string with Hlaalu House. I did not want to get expelled. SO RACING RATS OKAY FOR GAME?

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:47 pm

One more comment about homosexuality in this thread and I'm gonna kill someone. Exercise self control, and prove me wrong in my current stance that most of you are worthy of a boot to the skull.
Salem Hlaalu: We have Naked Nord quests elsewhere, not here. Stay on topic here. If you don't like that TR is doing Naked Nord quests, too bad.
Racing rats would be okay for the game if you ask me. However, I think that rat fights would be much better. The scripts would be easier and it would take much less space.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:02 pm

And it would fit with the overall Dunmeri culture.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:19 pm

Hell, it'd even take less space and be easier to make.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:10 pm

Sload Lord wrote:Hell, it'd even take less space and be easier to make.

Sload you ARE slow.

Dex wrote:The scripts would be easier and it would take much less space.

Anyway what about nix-hound fights ?

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:24 pm

I think Sload was being sarcastic to make fun of me. Cute.
Nix-hound fights would work. They could be a step up from rat fights. Rat fights could be something that people do in their basements, while nix-hound fights could be a more upscale, public thing.

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