Dunmer language

[BalinMinister]

Pluralization – pluralization follows a very simple convention. To pluralize a noun, take the first consonant in order from a to o for example, providihn, and add the same consonant for example, providiihn. In this case there were two I’s, the one to pick to double is the one closest to the right.

Im really confused about this for many reasons.

As you say, "take the first consonant in order from a to o" but in the example you picked a vowel

Referring back to the statement above, the first vowel would be o, so why is I doubled?

Hope this helps out anyone that has the same questions and/or reveals me as an idiot

-BM

[Assassinace]

well he must have meant vowels because both A and O are vowels so it wouldn't make sense otherwise.

and he meant the first on a, e, i, o, u, y
So A followed by e and so on.

Finally if there are 2 that are the same it uses the furthest right.

ex Morag Tongs in dunmer would be Morag Toong
because the o is the vowel that needs to be doubled since it's the vowel in the pluralized word.

In Balmoras it would be Balmoraa a being the first of the list aeiouy and the second a being the furthest to the right. That help?

[Haplo]

you need 'tel and twit. I dunno about 'tel if it's supposed to be 'tel or tel, but Kogo'tel...and Kogo means indistructible...I think

Twit would be like whore or bastard or something degrading... oh by the way...majra could you add all the words you've gotten translated to the first page of this thread, or is that what the translator is for?

[sirwootalot123]

it's s'wit, not twit. twit is an actual word.
Here are my suggestions for more words (verbs can easily be adapted to verb format):
"haired" = "rouantoko"
"hair" = "rouantok"
"worthy" = "sehtrem"
"helping" = "daehljam"
"mark" = "barnid"
"spell (magic)" = "arthun"
"however" = "Noshok"
"meant" = "Mehnaj"
"accidentially" = "Khiiohm'ras"
"than" = "Ahm"
"rather" = "Bahnasc"
"longer" = "Nibisu"
"trapped" = "cathu'ag"

[Haplo]

so wouldn't it be hope of chimer golem? or golem hope of chimer?

[peejunk]

Hi, I was reading this interesting discusson and I would like to add just one thing, about Ald- and Alt- prefixes. Sorry if i'm repeating the obvious.

Alt- might also mean "old", "elder" as his paragraph from TIL suggests (unless it's a typo) i.e. high and old might be homonyms in Aldmeris/Dunmeris, and alt or ald might just be dialects:

Pre-literate humans, the so-called "Nedic Peoples", from the continent of Atmora (also 'Altmora' or 'the Elder Wood' in Aldmeris) migrate and settle in northern Tamriel.

One question arised, maybe the Altmer werent the only, exclusive, direct descendants of the Aldmer, but Altmer, Chimer, Bosmer and Orc-turned Orsimer were "fractions" inside the Aldmer people.

I cannot find any lore that answers this precisely.

[Jacurutu]

All of the other elven races are descended from the Altmer. The Chimer/Dunmer come from Veloth and his followers, the Orcs from Trinimac and his followers, the Bosmer from another separate migration from Summurset (Bosmer are the ones I'm not too sure about). Certainly, all of their languages would share a few similarities.

[xx_chromosome]

question:
what was that word that NPCs used to say to you when you pass by

M?rth????ra or something?

is that a greeting?
what does it mean?

[Ghaz]

I apologize for not reading the entire thread, but if there are none, I propose two conventions:

one for forming adverbs from adjectives.

adding 'aka

quietly is pishukaka
responsibly is todihfaka
sharply vohrimaka
visibly perhu'aka
(notice the apostrophe for vowel end)

And comparing adjectives/adverbs
Prefixing edi and s'edi
asakehn - steep
ediasakhen steeper/rather steep
s'ediasakhen steepest/very steep

the only problem i see with this is the length of ensuing words.

s'editodihfaka.

If there is consenus prior to my post, ignore me; I am stupid and fat.

[Ghaz]

Majra, we also need a way to show possession. For example, we couldn't say "I saw the man's dog eating roadkill" in Dunmeri. (the roadkill part is just for good measure)

you could use the formal english english way,

"I saw the dog of the man". Why not "ko"

so it would be I saw the dog ko'man.

[Ghaz]

The word "Sera" is not a term of respect. It is the opposite. In english, it's how a fuedal lord would adress his serfs.

[Nomadic1]

In Suran, the guy who owns the city and surrounding lands is "Serjo Avon ...." and "Serjo" would certainly be a word related to "Sera". I couldn't imagine him being called "Servant Avon" when he owns the bloody place

[Haplo]

and sera cannot be degrading, because that's what Dexter calls AlphaFemale (Serra). He would never allow himself to call her something degrading,

[Jacurutu]

And, furthermore, judging by the fact that people with high levels of rep greet you with "sera," it really couldn't be insulting.

[Ghaz]

My bad (sort of)

The word Sirrah is how supuriors were to adress inferiors (in fuedal times). It's not necessarily an insult. Kind of like us calling higher-ups "sir". You just do.

My logic is that since the Imperials speak english, It might be odd to have the same title (spelled differently) mean the exact opposite thing. It would be like if the spanish word for slave was "master."

In Suran, the guy who owns the city and surrounding lands is "Serjo Avon ...." and "Serjo" would certainly be a word related to "Sera". I couldn't imagine him being called "Servant Avon" when he owns the bloody place

I dont see how Serjo comes from Sera.

[Nomadic1]

My bad probably. I just noticed they are both terms used politely, in different grammar... "Sera" as a noun of itself, and "Serjo" almost as a title.

[Ghaz]

well then what do you call the language the Imperials forced upon them? I call that English. If you want to call that Common/Cyrodilic, whatever, it doesn't un-validate my point. Earlier in this thread someone was talking about Imperial influence on Dunmeri. All I'm saying is, if the Dunmer have a title, don't you think it's a bit odd to have an Imperial title that means the exact opposite?
(Although they are spelled differently)

Also, given the dunmer's xenophobic social structure, I find it hard to believe that strangers would use a term of respect for someone who they probably don't even want in their house?

It might not even be a term for inferiors. Even the english "Sir" is not a term of respect, It's just a term of "polite adress." Although we use sir respectfully, too. (IE talking to old guys.)

Could we perhaps expand on the definition of sera to include 'polite adress?'

[Anonymous]

I think you need to expand upon your definition of Aedra. Aedra is the word for Ancestor, and in practice is a 'Creator God'. Daedra means 'Not Ancestor' and in practice is a 'Changer God'.

the book Aedra and Daedra explains it.
http://til.gamingsource.net/mwbooks/aedra_daedra.shtml

[Sload]

What about "er" and "est," do we have that?

If not then how about adding 'jul and 'g'jul ('gahjul made shorter over time, like some words have been)

So...
quieter - pishuk'jul
quietest -pishuk'g'jul
faster - aradir'jul
fastest - adari'g'jul



better would be the better form of "be," shortened to muhr over time, so it's muhr'jul. Best, therefore, is muhr'g'jul.

[Ghaz]

What about "er" and "est," do we have that?

If not then how about adding 'jul and 'g'jul ('gahjul made shorter over time, like some words have been)

So...
quieter - pishuk'jul
quietest -pishuk'g'jul
faster - aradir'jul
fastest - adari'g'jul



better would be the better form of "be," shortened to muhr over time, so it's muhr'jul. Best, therefore, is muhr'g'jul.

Yes, that's called comparison of Adjectives and Adverbs. As detailed in my post.

[Sload]

Jikhes : Trade

[Haplo]

Moko = Egg
Garam = Mold

[Haplo]

I'm locking this, and unstickying it as well, because it is not needed. Eventually this will be Archived, but for now, it stays in Lit.