Creatures of Necromancy

Psyborg · Post by **Psyborg** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:42 am

Hey. It's Psyborg again, armed with another idea. My idea this time is... necromancy. Well, no, that's not my idea, my idea is thus:

Necromancy is very... scary. Necromancy is a BAD THING. Necromancers are BAD PEOPLE. Therefore, Necromancers could use their powers of Necromancy to create VERY BAD THINGS. Such as ZOMBIES. Such as CONGLOMERATE CREATURES MADE OUT OF ZOMBIE PARTS. Such as VERY DISGUSTING CREATURES SEWED TOGETHER OUT OF DECAYING PARTS, WHICH HAVE METAL AND BONE STITCHED IN BETWEEN THE FLESH AND MISCELLANIOUS BIOLOGICAL MATERIAL WHICH SHRIEK AND HOWL IN THE DARKENED CAVERNS OF THE NECROMANCER'S HIDDEN CAVERNS AND RATTLE THEIR CHAINS AND... AND... and... (cough)

Anyway, so we don't really have that many creepy monsters in Morrowind. Especially not with Necromancers... I mean... skeletons aren't scary in the slightest. No offense, anyone who thought skeletons were scary. So what I'm asking here is for people to submit ideas for SCARY ZOMBIE CREATURES. I tried, but they ended up looking foolish and rather cute, in the case of one of them (who I named "Peppy")

Anyway, so perhaps this is a bad idea, but I'm asking anyway. Right. Righto. Ta ta for now...

Psyborg

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:35 am

Necromancy itself isn't neccessarily bad, there can be good necromancers. They just often are bad.

Yes I would agree we do need some scarier creatures. maybe when vorrheis gets back.

Negrodomous · Post by **Negrodomous** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:40 am

maybe something that looks similer to a corprus monster combined with a skeliton and bonewalker... maybe limbs from each one- like a frankinstine... but not...

Jacurutu · Post by **Jacurutu** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:45 am

CONGLOMERATE CREATURES MADE OUT OF ZOMBIE PARTS. Such as VERY DISGUSTING CREATURES SEWED TOGETHER OUT OF DECAYING PARTS

someone's been playing Warcraft III, methinks (abominations, perhaps . . .)

Psyborg · Post by **Psyborg** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:47 am

Naw, never really been a fan of RTSs myself, save Rome:Total War... anyway, got this idea while fighting my way through Ravenholm in HL2... and feeling very frightened at those nasty fast headcrab zombies. Luckily, my shotgun saved me from a quick dismemberment by them, and I survived to bring y'all this idea.

Psyborg · Post by **Psyborg** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:40 pm

Hey all, it's Psyborg with a pic... unfortunately, after adding hundreds of gory details to it, I realized it's just cute with it's big eyes like that... I named it "Nana", and figured I'd show it to y'all.

[img]http://img69.exs.cx/img69/415/steve5hg.jpg[/img]

Cool, huh? Nana's one mean dude. He'll... look at you. With his creepy eyes. THEN you'll be sorry!

wishmaster · Post by **wishmaster** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:45 pm

Sweet little guy!

you rule with the pencil!

Psyborg · Post by **Psyborg** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:42 pm

Aw, gee, thanks. Here's another.
[img]http://img50.exs.cx/img50/3962/eeewyuckypoo0qp.jpg[/img]
His name is "InFect10n", and also, for some reason he does a windmill attack on people and slices and dices them like a Chef Tony knife. Hooooooah!

wishmaster · Post by **wishmaster** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:47 pm

Shouldn't we add Nemesis BTW?

Zaldav · Post by **Zaldav** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:02 pm

Well these do sound like some of the corpse preporation books, so this does not go against lore

you have my vote. Oh, and one of these "Zombies" could be a remodled/retextured Corprus Stalker.
Anyway your drawings are

COOL!!

Leviathan · Post by **Leviathan** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:46 am

Well I do have some old unused concept art at my homepage.

[url=http://www.freewebs.com/king-leviathan/conceptart.htm]Levis trash[/url]

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:24 pm

It's...it's DANCING! Run away!
Try adding some yellow eyes and red sockets to Nana.
Keep the things holding the eyes open, though!

EDIT: Argh, disrupted by the pic-width.

P.S. After looking at your site, I had a thought: Undead Kagouti!

ferrigno · Post by **ferrigno** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:22 am

yipee time to let my twisted mind spill forth on the paper! open stomachs, maggot ridden lumps of flesh, cruel meat knifes and hooks for hands.... any way,

yep ill do some undead concept art, ive got a picture of an argonian necromancer if you want to use that, ok post later....
(retreats into dark dank lair and sets of to designing undead doo-hickys)

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ferrigno · Post by **ferrigno** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:44 am

well here it is, 15 minuites later lol, its erm, what the h*ll is it? erm i dunno what it is, but for simplicity ill call it an undead troll...

if that goes against LORE call it hat ever u wish...

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Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:40 am

Do you have access to a scanner?

Cjad the Nord · Post by **Cjad the Nord** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:41 pm

Imagine this beast coming at you around a dark Daedric corner.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:47 pm

And having nothing to do with Necromancy!

Cjad the Nord · Post by **Cjad the Nord** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:11 pm

It might not have to do with necromancy, but it rates somewhere on someone's standardized creepiness scale and does involve some form of infernal summoning.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:14 pm

But is not a "Creature of Necromancy" and should not be in the "Creatures of Necromancy" thread.

Cjad the Nord · Post by **Cjad the Nord** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:23 pm

Oh well, to late. Just, pretend all the iron ore sticking out it is super-compressed bone that, by some magical and totally unrealistic process, turned it into metal.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:32 pm

Be wary of going overboard and making it gory for the sake of it; that way you just end up with something from Resident Evil. Things that look threatening just don't make you crap yourself in Morrowind, because you know for a fact that you can rip it to pieces with a few swings of your Daedric dai katana.
Instead try and make undead things look creepy, and most of all make them look DEAD, like they have no earthly right to be walking around looking for their best socks: bulging glazed eyes, no emotion in their expressions, all that jazz.
When I first saw a Corprus Stalker leering at me from the shadows I shit myself

Cjad the Nord · Post by **Cjad the Nord** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:45 pm

I have to say, the Corprus Stalker was by miles a lot scarier than any of the Bonewalkers. It's not just a creatures look, it's gotta be their movement, their motivation. These things can't be done with blood everywhere. It's gotta be in the animation, and above all, the setting. I think we need suitably creepy environments to set these in. Those Velothi tombs are child's play.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:51 pm

Yeah, most definitely. Well-placed sound effects are as scary as well-placed shadows too. Granted, most of these creatures will be placed in dungeons anyway, but setting IS 90% of a monster's terror factor (scientific terminology).
For example, put a corprus stalker in Balmora in broad daylight; he just looks like a bum.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:56 am

If you need inspiration for zombies (not stalkers but actual zombies) just look at some Oblivion screenshots.

[url]http://www.elderscrolls.com/images/art/ob_pc/obliv27B.jpg[/url]

And here is a lich:
[url]http://www.elderscrolls.com/images/art/ob_xbox360/obx04B.jpg[/url]

viKING · Post by **viKING** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:02 am

and most of all make them look DEAD

agreed.

If anyone have played thief the dark project, there were some zombies that made my heart stop for five seconds each time I saw them.

The reason they were so scary was because of their "dead-look", you know... you just walked towards the bodies... you just stand there and look at them, and suddenly it start to move and walk.

Is it possible to animate a creature to lay still untill player approaches?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:11 am

Man ferringo you should turn one of your drawings into an avatar, that'd be cool! Personally a few of my doodles would make some good TES zomie stalkers.

viKING, you can do something like that, in Qarls clothing mod it makes skeletons lie down and when you activate them they get up and attack you. Absolutely scared the shits outta me when I went to get the skellies clothing

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:01 pm

That'd be good, to have them wake up and attack you, but again you've gotta be wary of going overboard and using it too much. Otherwise the player expects every corpse he sees to get up and start smacking him around, and it's not scary anymore. And after games like half life and thief, people expect that from corpses anyway

ferrigno · Post by **ferrigno** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:30 pm

guys lets just have some of that plain old scary silent corpse creeping up on you? i wanna see some corpses get up and hit me when i try to steal their booty, i think Tanriel would benefit from a little bit of inspiration from games like half life ect. not too much but just enough to make you feel a little bit giddy when you walk into tht little tomb....

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Emperor Justin · Post by **Emperor Justin** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:25 pm

That whole bit about sewing different creatures together, melding them with machines, that inspired this creature:

[url=http://img292.echo.cx/img292/8896/abomination0ax.jpg]Abomination[/url]

I know it's not anything from the Morrowind/Tamriel world, but maybe some sick-ass Necromancer made it up all by himself, you know? I tried to put some Dwemer looking metal pieces on, maybe the lower half is composed of rotted Dreugh tentacles...

A few interesting bits:
-One of the tentacles is covered in fingers
-the head is designed after an Angler Fish
-hard to see, but the thing's intestines are hanging out a bit.
-part of a human face is sewn into the back

EWWW!

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:57 pm

^^That is one sweet-looking beastie. Like you said, it could've been contrived by some evil necormancer. But, it is doubtful that several would independently create such a monster, so it would only make sense in a select dungeon, maybe two.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:24 am

I definately think we could benifit from a creepier zombie creature. Somthing like that oblivion screenshot. Rotting, peices of it falling off, maybe missing one eye, a peice of its skull, having some arrows still stuck in it. Stuff like that.

Cjad the Nord · Post by **Cjad the Nord** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:17 pm

I'm hoping that Death Master Snitch won't mind me posting his concepts, but here is a zombie he drew and submitted in his Concept Art thread.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y173/throttheunclean/Pim0008.jpg

The_Warder · Post by **The_Warder** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:01 pm

your all better than me great job
guys.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:30 am

You're not as good as me, though

DarkEclipse · Post by **DarkEclipse** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:49 am

The Abomination thing, I think it's sufficiantly scary enough. Imagine: You're at 3 health, one healing potion left. Dark tomb, creepy groaning and whispering noises everywhere. Your armor is broken, and your only weapon left is a half-ruined iron dagger. You come to an intersection, that, that- THING jumps out from a corner and roars into your face, it's horrid breath filling your lungs and all you see is it's beastly head! Then you scream like a girl and punch your monitor. It's scary. Good job too! But that would be hell to model.

Thirsk · Post by **Thirsk** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:49 pm

if enyone played thief: deadly shadows, they know what a scary Zombie is! by the way: try to imagine an undead zombie-corbrus beast... or maybe a ghoul (mutated beasts that eat human flesh, they are alive)
creapy!

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:58 pm

I think we could DEFINITELY use some HL2-style ADHD zombies that totally spazz out and leap at you from above/below/wherever. Also, we need good sounds - the morrowind undead creatures sound more like bored hippos than creepy zombies.

Psyborg · Post by **Psyborg** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:07 am

The abomination is cool beyond reason, but I agree- it would be a nightmare to model, and to animate... well, a two-legged walk cycle is tough enough (I've heard), and a fifteen-odd walk cycle... well, do the math. But if it could be done, it would be awesome.

Also, I agree with sirwootalot. We need some HL2-fast-headcrab-zombie-esque creatures, but I don't know how the engine's pathfinding would be able to handle something moving that fast, or maybe it would be fine, I don't know. But we need more pants soiling sudden frights... with proper monster placement and good level design, it shouldn't be that hard to have at least a couple "aaah!" moments, even if no scripting is involved.

Psyborg · Post by **Psyborg** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:00 pm

Hm. Well, here's something I whipped up this morning after eating my Cocoa Puffs. Mm, Cocoa Puffs. They're like chocolate... for your breakfast cereal needs! (note the chin sewed to the neck for an eternal open mouth) The fireball I added because I like drawing fireballs.

[img]http://img169.echo.cx/img169/5514/yilagkindasmall7sp.jpg[/img]

DarkEclipse · Post by **DarkEclipse** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:23 pm

Who would've thought, chocolate cereal...

That's nice! Wish I could draw like that...

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