New Guars

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:40 am

Michael Kirkbride on Guars: http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=62429&hl=

Lizards. Another little known fact is that the Imperials often refer to Guars as "tigers". Here's why: during a tour of Morrowind in the earliest days of the Armistace, Tiber Septim became enamored of the beasts. On the mainland, and specifically the Deshaan Plains, Guars are striped. This, coupled with the fact that His Holiness was never able to pronounce "Guar" correctly (his troubles with the provincial Chimeric tongue is legendary), led to Septim finally callings them "tigers", from a fabled recollection of a storybook beast he loved as a youth.

The new name stuck. Even now, Dres slavers often refer to their cattle-guar as tigers.

MK.

Mainland Guars need retexturing NOW. Is anyone up to this?

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:43 am

Sounds like a bullshit excuse to cover a gap in their lore. Like how there are no horses in Morrowind because they are a dunmer delicacy.. and the grass also makes them sick...

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:44 am

But stripped guars are so cool! I want one.

Besides, I think he made it up then so it'd be something cool that everyone would be like "oh that's neat, I luv stripped guars" and stuff.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:45 am

Morden wrote:Sounds like a bullshit excuse to cover a gap in their lore. Like how there are no horses in Morrowind because they are a dunmer delicacy.. and the grass also makes them sick...

But when you follow through on bullshit, it no longer is bullshit and becomes an interesting part of the cultures of the game world. So I fail to see how that's an argument against it...

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:02 am

I mean, if someone volunteers to retexture a guar to have stripes, then I'll have Stalker add it to CoT and do all the replacing myself. But I don't think it is a big enough issue to prioritize ourselves with.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:14 am

Don't forget than we should only add them to Deshaan Plains.

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:03 am

It says they are predominant in the Deshaan Plain, but also that there were striped guars elsewhere on the mainland. Which means that on the Deshaan, all guars should be striped, but outside of it, the guars could be 50 - 50.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:05 am

Not a problem. And excuse or not but I like the idea of stripped guards.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:06 am

would it be possible for spawned guars to have a randomized skin? I'd imagine you could find Guars with a blotched hide, guards with lighter underbellies than the rest of their body, etc.

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:09 am

I've just taken a look at the textures for Guars, considering there's about 20 textures to modify and match together, there's no way I'm doing this.

Graff.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:28 am

This isn't an excuse. Kirkbride said that he wasn't making this up in a later post.

I'm no good at textures but I'll see what I can do.

Dr.Evil · Post by **Dr.Evil** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:53 am

While your at it, can't you make guars more peaceful? Since the "corky"-quest (you know, when the evil Hlaalu guy in Caldera wants his taxes from the farmers) I like them and do not enjoy killing these nice little creatures.

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:43 pm

I didn't realise guars wore clothing in the first place. :P

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:45 pm

Yeah, striped guars would be pretty neat.

I'm surprised MK is working with ES again, though. Didn't he leave after a very nasty fight with the other devs? Well, good to know he's still a bit involved. I always liked his weird imagination.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:59 pm

It's one of his old sayings I assume.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:26 pm

Morden wrote:Like how there are no horses in Morrowind because they are a dunmer delicacy..

This particular bullshit makes absolutely no sense at all. If there are no horses, they can't be eaten.

Anyway, there were horses in the Morrowind province in Arena -- you just had to use fast travel to see one.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:58 pm

This particular bullshit makes absolutely no sense at all. If there are no horses, they can't be eaten.

It's because that the Dunmer ate them all that they aren't there. Imperials aren't bringing them because they fear that some ravenous Dunmer will steal their horses.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:17 pm

Arthmodeus wrote:It's because that the Dunmer ate them all that they aren't there. Imperials aren't bringing them because they fear that some ravenous Dunmer will steal their horses.

Just like we've eaten all the sheep and pigs and cows and rabbits and chicken and...

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:26 pm

But the Dunmer LOVE horses. They love them more than we love sheep and cows.

Please, leave this discussion on the Kirkbride thread in the Lore section.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:10 pm

Here, I made the Textures. Someone has to apply these to the Guar Model, since I don't know how.

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:41 pm

It's pretty easy - you just open the nif in niftexture and replace the correspoding textures with your own. :) You obviously have to rename them to TR standard first though.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:07 pm

Doesn't work. Someone else with the knowledge has to do it.

Sapphron · Post by **Sapphron** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:55 pm

I attached the textures to the mesh, and it should work. The stripes look like they're painted on to me, though.

[img]http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/1179/stripeguar9rj.jpg[/img]

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:57 pm

Like I said, I'm not awesome at retexturing things.

Sapphron · Post by **Sapphron** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:59 pm

I think they would look much better if you could have the stripes be transparant. Do you know how to add transparancies (I sure don't)?

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:03 pm

Using PSP - New Layer, set Transparency to x%. Did you just airbrush them with black? I'd have used the burn tool.

Graff.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:05 pm

I have to admit, those stripes look like tatoos to me.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:08 pm

Yeah, someone could definately do better than me. For now, I'm through with retexturing.

Maybe the stripes could be more "tiger-like".

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:12 pm

Arthmodeus wrote:Yeah, someone could definately do better than me. For now, I'm through with retexturing.

Maybe the stripes could be more "tiger-like".

I imagine that they're tigerlike if guars are called "tigers." I think the part that makes it look like tatoos most is actually the unstripiness. Stripes are usually in a row, not all swirled and random like what you have here.

If that didn't make sense, here's a word-picture example.

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Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:15 pm

I was just thinking that since it was Morrowind, the stripes would be unique.

I'll get started on a new one, though.

viKING · Post by **viKING** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:28 pm

I guess I can try too... Unless Arthmodeus have something against it. Tigerlike stripes?

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:41 pm

By all means, it's all yours.

viKING · Post by **viKING** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:45 pm

thanks

, but don't stop texturing either, I liked your unique stripes and I want to see an other version of them

viKING · Post by **viKING** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:21 pm

well, It didn't end up very good. Very many textures wich have to fit to eachother... tell me what you think about this:

[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/joakiman/texture%20works/f565700a.jpg[/img]

here is the textures, feel free to try to make them better:

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:23 pm

I love it, though it is rather garish.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:09 pm

If you are going to do this, don't make the stripes so regular and geometric.
[img]http://www.helbob.de/thailand/2003/pattaya/siracha-tiger-zoo-tiger.jpg[/img]
Make them more random and natural looking.

viKING · Post by **viKING** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:27 pm

sure. Gues I can try. Can't promise anything, though.

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:46 pm

I assume we want it to look like darkened skin rather than paint or a tattoo. Try darkening the areas rather than painting over them, or you will lose the skin detail underneath.

viKING · Post by **viKING** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:53 pm

ok, I give up this retexture... It is hard to make, and not very fun to make.

The paint mistake problem is quite easy to fix, without making a whole new texture, so if the guar I already posted could be used, just talk to me, and I'll fix it.