i4-16-Red

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:57 pm

Claim type: Interior
Claim ID: TR_i4-16-Red (#874)
Faction: Redoran
Parent claim: TR_4-2-Red (#139)
Claimed by: Hemitheon
Status: Approved (Progress: 100%)
Location: 1:(-1285, -1767):0
Files: TR_i4-16-Red_Colhir_1.esp; TR_i4-16-Red_Colhir_2.esp; TR_i4-16-Red_Hemitheon_1.esp; TR_i4-16-Red_Thrignar Fraxix_1.esp

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Karthor Dale interior nr. 3:
http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/Vegor/karthordale.jpg

Rich bachelor trying to make it as a savvy investor, bookmaker and broker. Something not to highly appriciated by his Redoran kin. But his house is the place to be if your a passing through imperial or Hlaalu, as (NAME?) is always interested in a deal.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:47 pm

I thought this fitting for a rich bachelor, more or less "distrusted" by his family for being more then a tad unchivalreous.
The place would be rather tidy but coverd with imperial/hlaalu books (anything on trade) and a bunch of rejecting letters from the EETC.
Possible EETC quests (which would otherwise be rare in redoran areas)
Architecture and furniture still redoran ofcourse.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:15 pm

Its EEC not EETC...I always make that mistake because of the East India Trading Company.

I would put a stock certificate for the EEC in this cell, just modify the one from BM, since they wouldnt reject someone giving them money. If you do, make it a small amount and issued by the head office.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:30 pm

will do!
I just realised something... is that a balcony on the top floor?
if so, YAY i get to put in a stair!

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:12 am

All those buildings are two stories. Also, since it's carved into the stone, you've gor a lot more leeway to do your stuff than with an in-the-open interior.

Having said that, nothing uber, don't go overboard in terms of size and style, and use OoT and EoT well.

Granted and happy modding.
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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:11 pm

The EEC sells stock certificates. They are available for anyone who wants to buy them. Its perfectly alright for him to be a savvy investor.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:23 pm

i have to get my bloodmoon installed on this computer aswell...
The first thing to greet you when you enter is the lobby, where he (wants) to recive ppl, mainly its a table, one chair behind it, two chairs infront.
behind it all a bookcase.
Lights will be both hanging form ceiling and on posts.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:22 pm

Yup no Hlaalu Books would be there. That would be as popular with the locals as someone owning Mein Kampf in Jerusalem.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:34 pm

I thought this fitting for a rich bachelor, more or less "distrusted" by his family for being more then a tad unchivalreous.

as i said, the (allthough few) hlaalu books on trade would be WELL hidden.
The guy living in this house is not trying to be a good redoran Warrior, he's trying to be, well... Rich! he wants to be a savvy invester, broker or bookmaker.
Im actually considering hiding "The buying game" in his house unless you disagree (gives you +1 "mercantile")

oh and if that doesn't satisfy you: heres a (very) Wip shot!
[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/ThorDUDE/WIP1.jpg[/img]

As you see, no great halls or such, but this is after all more of a bachelor pad than anything else (and my first claim)

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:44 am

Note:
Updated description.
Work will progress much faster when i get a hold of my Bloodmoon and Tribunal CDs.
NPCs recommended (i know its quite a while)
1 Main owner (the rich bachelor, dunmer)
1 Maid/Cook (dunmer, either in her chambers or in the kitchen)
1 Handyman, keeping the fire going in the storage room. (nord perhaps? or just another dunmer) (should be decently armed and trained, but not armored, preferably bare-chested)

You see, this is a very "modern" house, heated internally! ;P

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:34 pm

Update:
im well under way with lighting and detailing of the lower floor, still have LOTS of plants and tapestrys to put in, Can you recommend any tapestrys.
im planning on attatching a scaled down "Zenitar" tapestry to his working desk and hiding "The Buying Game" under his pillow

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:36 pm

Umm that will encroach upon house nr 4 unless they have a tunnel going into the cliff...you should only make it 2 tiles wide at the front according to the picture as I see it. You might want to find out who is doing houses 2 and 4 and see where there is space you can use.

Edit: Appears 2 is already in reviewing so PM a reviewer and ask for a screenshot. 4 is currently unclaimed so you could just post in that and say 'Make sure you use a tunnel'

Oh and BTW I would use the smaller version of redoran tiles.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:17 am

allright, i like the large tiles as it give a "Manory rich" appereance without actually having 89 rooms that i have to figure out a use for:P
*goes to look for the No2 claimer*

EDIT:
i have double, tripple and quadrouple checked Unclaimed, pending claimed and finnished. noone has made no 2!!!
EDIT:
i think i'll just go claim no4 to save someone the trouble...

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:59 am

It doesn't matter that you're going to claim it or anything, it simply doesn't make sense. Why would they build entrances right there when they'd have to dodge around another home? The answer is: they wouldn't. I strongly suggest you redo it, this is NOT a manor.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:13 am

allright then, but what are you suggesting, that i "thin down" the entrance?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 10:13 am

Yes and use the small tileset.

It is far more fun anyway, you can get some really nice effects.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:21 am

by "use the small tileset" you mean using the tiny rooms and hallways i assume.
in case you havent noticed i have for some reason not used any big flat rooms, its all hallways so to speak this is because of one simple reason:
Its chisseld out of ROCK rock, not some whimpy volcanic rock. As i figure, the easiest way to keep the thing from collapsing would be to have every roof Arched, and the large hallways fulfill that vision, i have be thinning it down a bit though, let me show you...
[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/ThorDUDE/thorsWIP2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/ThorDUDE/ThorsWIP1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/ThorDUDE/ThosVestibule1.jpg[/img]
The majestic entrance... might be a bit too majestic

[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/ThorDUDE/ThorsHEarth.jpg[/img]
an idea i got from watching greek architecture, advanced heating!

[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/ThorDUDE/OOTperhaps.jpg[/img]
oh and is this over the top?

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:29 am

*sighs* you're going out of the reasonable boundaries that make sense to me. (They are, by the way, 1 left, 0 right, using in_r_s and in_redoran_s) This is very thin and REQUIRES that you use the "thin" set.

It isn't my call, but I strongly suggest you totally redo this without any large tile peices, as Jale has said.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:59 am

*sigh*
allright... what a waste of effort... wonder if there's another use for this *weeps a bit*
i'll just go do the clothiere in the meanwhile, while i get over this...

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:04 am

Oh, an about why you can't find #2..as Jale said, it's in Reviewing, a forum only reviewers and core members can see.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:08 am

ah ok, now go check out my other claim and see what you made me do!
you smalltilesetmongrer! ;P

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:30 pm

The large tileset is reserved just for massive manors and Redoran council halls. Even the guilds use small. I had to rebuild the fighters guild about 6 times to get a design I liked. Remember that once you get about 3-4 cells back you can make it quite tall!

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:28 pm

my question is, how many small tiles wide?
i don't have bloodmoon or tribunal here yet (im working at my girlfirends computer, at whoms house is spend most of my time) so i haven't been able to have a good look ingame.
It seems that whatever i do i end up with grand entrances and magnificent halls

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:38 pm

2 at the front, so I would have it as stairs on one side and a corridor leading back to a room further into the hill. It will be more like a townhouse really, with lots of floors. Since you have the clothier next door you can jsut expand over the top of that.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:41 pm

[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/ThorDUDE/Plan.jpg[/img]

a quick idea for the entrance, just so you know...
the rest will be along the corridor, further in

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:52 pm

I would have it the other way round...have most of it upstairs rather than down...sort of like you have the living area round under the stairs and then the bedroom, whatever upstairs.

Or maybe even just storage downstairs and everything upstairs. As long as it all goes over above your clothier and you make sure that doesnt go upwards all will be fine and dandy.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:20 pm

the ramp would actually be the "Long ramp" thus the bedroom would be longer and maybe even the dining room bigger.
From here on i will make this residence WEALTHY not huge

[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y33/ThorDUDE/plan2.jpg[/img]

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:41 pm

Make sure that going left with the stairs doesnt hit the other claim...in fact you could go right just to be safe.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:48 pm

your a moderator, couldn't you look it up and tell me if it collides?
if i go right i have little or no leaway as my clothieres staricases go left.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:54 pm

Im a mod now? Why didnt anyone tell me

Im sorry, I seem to be commandeering your thing here

I would expect that the one next to it does use that bit so it would be best to have your stairs going right and then making sure that the clothier doesnt collide, since you have control of that too.

ThorFluff · Post by **ThorFluff** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:40 pm

That is a good point and it wouldn't be to much trouble fixing it either. i'll see what i can do when i get home.
oh and since you seemed to have so much knowledge i just presumed... hell, maybe you should be ;P

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:25 pm

[BUMP] is this going to be done anytime soon? If you are unable to complete this claim for any reason, please post in this thread or contact me.

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:24 pm

Revoked due to absence.

Colhir · Post by **Colhir** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:59 pm

hi, i'll claim this (hopefully) i'll probablly just do a tavern or something, seen as though theres a few shops near by i thought this could be the place where all the shop keepers go after work for a drink or 2. like a social club for the workers. if not then probs just a house or summat.

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:52 pm

Well, #1 is an Inn, i'm building it, so i'm putting in a bar and whatnot too therefore i don't think it would be a very good idea to put a tavern so close by.
I'll grant this to you, and you can make it a house or small manor if you like, or if you can think of something else let me know.
Remember to look at the adjacent buildings to know their shapes and make sure you don't extend your building into those next door.
Granted and happy modding!
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Colhir · Post by **Colhir** » Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:41 pm

well its currently a manor, have a look at the .esp, theres 3 cells. i4-16, i4-16 bedroom downstairs and i4-16 upstairs bedroom. theres no detailing yet just the basic shell. any comments welcome.

The esp is dirty, hasn't been cleaned as its not the final submission.

**screenshot commin soon**

Colhir · Post by **Colhir** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:44 pm

the manor is coming along nicely. 3bedrooms, just finished detailing the 2nd one, only 2more rooms left to do.

no screenshots yet as theres no point really lol

Colhir · Post by **Colhir** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:24 pm

rite its finished, jus learned how to use TesAme properly

so fully clean.

there is a big space in the main room because i presume there will be NPC's in there and they need room to walk about.

oh 1more thing do you want me to put a path grid in? i dont normally do that but i will do

Colhir.

**EDIT** its a manor not like the description says.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:37 pm

nope, no pathgrids or NPCs for this claim

Colhir · Post by **Colhir** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:38 pm

ok then there ya go submit for review.