Every minute part of the Khajiti medium-weight armor can be seen in the soldiers in the foreground. The embroidered edging and striped patterns on the tunics. Each lacquered plate on loose-fitting leather in the Elsweyr style. The helmets of cloth and fluted silver.
Ta da! A description of Khajiiti armour! It is medium-weight and has some form of stripe pattern on it. I imagine that it would be somewhat expensive because of the silver.
Here's the link to the book: http://til.gamingsource.net/mwbooks/cherims_heart.shtml
There's also a mention of an Iron Golem being mechanical.
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Obviously would have to be medium. They would need some sort of special Khajiiti helm, something similar to the adamantium one with that crossbar I think.
Something like this: http://www.nerohq.com/emporium/cav3.jpg
Its supposed to be loose fitting plates of laquered leather after all.
Perhaps this as a mouthpiece: http://home.att.net/~steven.licata/mask.jpg
Something like this for Greaves: http://www.laghaim.co.th/guide/2005/main/armor/rd_legs.gif
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Sorry about the poor quality...The first picture is too tall because I used a wooden model to get the proportions and position correct, and so it looks like a tall human.
The sketch seems smart, thick pieces where a khajiit might not move and a breathable chain (or so I assume) in places where he would need to shift about. Fur has to be a problem, right? Since most armor has some sort of soft padding underneath it (see the old suits of platemail used in the midieval ages) to protect against blows, why would a soft-furred creature need them? Suggestions on the helmet, though, which would include more protection as the muzzle area seems to be open. Perhaps, also, for the elbows of the khajiit place a cap? Like a kneepad, and merely put a loose joint to connect pauldron to bracer. I'd also suggest the construction be of light copper, bronze even, with some iron or steel to strengthen it? Something tells me the deserts are poor in iron, but this is merely a suggestion. Group discussions always turn up incredible amounts of great ideas.
Also, copper is much easier to craft into ornate shapes or carve, that's why the Romans decorated their sheilds with copper, bronze or other metals and left the actual strengthening parts to iron and steel. Decorative yet functional.
I think just a cloth shift would suit them more...the Khajiit actually like arrows to go straight through, it heals better. The only materials we have quoted are silver for the helms and leather for the plates, so it could be anything. Copper is too malleable to be decent chain though. It would work very well for the studs and bits on the legs holding the thighpads on.
Jale wrote:I think just a cloth shift would suit them more...the Khajiit actually like arrows to go straight through, it heals better. The only materials we have quoted are silver for the helms and leather for the plates, so it could be anything. Copper is too malleable to be decent chain though. It would work very well for the studs and bits on the legs holding the thighpads on.
Mm, my bad eyesight proves to be a problem again. Sorry about that... (I didn't see the leather and silver bits) Perhaps use cured leather, (moderately hard... not too tough and not too weak) the arrow head would go in and could be easily ripped out. Would silver be a good material to use for the head? Could they have meant merely silver plated, instead of solid? That would be an extremely heavy helmet otherwise. The copper stud idea is nice, though! I'd say use some sort of very soft leather for the non-plated parts. It's almost like cloth, just durable.
When I read Cherim's Heart of Anequina, I always thought the Khajiit specific medium armor described to look something like, .. well, exactly like Jale's sketch, with the chainmail exactly where it is, but instead of the brown leather, a yellow or bronzish orange (dyed) leather scalemail. The scales would also apply to the greaves.
As for the mouthpiece, it kind of looks like bondage gear. I was thinking a matching yellow/bronzish orange barbuta styled helmet with earholes.
I'd imagine the helmet would be an open helm. If the Khajiit were caught in a snadstorm or anything like that, they would probably have a scarf thingy for that like the Bedouin have.
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The problem with having it as scales is that its not really 'plates'...its scales
The mouthpiece looks cool but on reflection it is a bit impractical if they want to bite. The helms are described as cloth and silver so I put that bit on the back, There should be a bit for putting round the front in sandstoms, and also the colour could denote tribes.
The colour is just a product of my lack of pencils
Edit: Id also like to point out that there are two groups of Khajiit, the city dwellers and the tribal ones. They are closely knit but I would imagine they still have different styles.
There is probably more variation than that. There are two main factions in Elsweyr, Anequina (sp?) and another one, and I'd imagine both of them having their own styles even after how many centuries united. Then the Khajiit who specifically serve the Mane might have their own style on top of that. Plus there are about 6 or so humanoid Khajiiti breeds and there wouldn't be any "one size fits all" because they vary too much in size, fur and shape. Then of course there are the environmental changes in Elsweyr, from deserts to forests to swamps, and it is unlikely they have made an armour suitable for all types. So potentially, you could be very busy if you try to come up with concepts, even for the main groups you could still be concept drawing 6 or so sets of armour.
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Anaequia and Pellitine were two kingdoms which then united. There is also the class thing on top of that, as well as the mane bit. The one size thing would probably just boil down to we have some NPC 'creatures' which have the armor on. Medium and light is the way to go as far as I am concerned, they dont like heavy.
So...
Anaequian Medium
Pellitine Medium
Tribal Medium
Anaequian Light
Pellitine Light
Tribal Light
Mane Guard (medium)
However they dont need to be drastically different. The differences could be simply colours and patterns, though geography is also an issue. Anaequia is the desert area so they should have looser but more protective armor. Pellitine has a lot of jungles so Id imagine their armor would be darker to blend in. Tribal could be like Anaequian but far more gnarly and less refined, though we should draw up some different insignias for different tribes. Mane guard would be decorative.
I reckon the medium ones should be chain & plates. The Light variations would be rarer, for marksmen and scouts only, and in my opinion consist of something like this:
[img]http://www.r-r.dk/pics/20030317LEATHER_ARMOR/thumbnails%5CLeather_scalemail_trimmet.jpg[/img]
Morgoth's concept could work for the mane guard armor: http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metalscalearmor23copy4gq.jpg
A 'salet' would work well, as it protects most of the head but leaves the jaw free
http://www.schmitthenner.com/images/tn_P1010017.JPG
It was usually worn with a bevor, a neck guard
http://www.schmitthenner.com/images/tn_sch4030a.jpg
Okay while writing this I found the something which fits it perfectly:
I don't think a furry kajiit would feel so well inside an armor in the frist place. It would be damn hot for him/her! Remember that some of them comes from the desert...
wishmaster wrote:I don't think a furry kajiit would feel so well inside an armor in the frist place. It would be damn hot for him/her! Remember that some of them comes from the desert...
And yet we have a book describing their armor.
Thats probably why they like the chainmail and loose leather...a lot cooler.
Come to think about it, the leather would be a light colour then. If the metal isn't specified, then copper / bronze would be the more logical option to go with.
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"Every minute part of the Khajiti medium-weight armor can be seen in the soldiers in the foreground. The embroidered edging and striped patterns on the tunics. Each lacquered plate on loose-fitting leather in the Elsweyr style. The helmets of cloth and fluted silver."
"Their hauberks catch the dim light of the sun"
Now i just did a search for 'hauberk' and it turns out it can be a chain OR a leather coat...
So we could make it an all leather armor, with the tunics of course
Or we could have bronze chain...I think that would suit the colours better.
Hmmm, nice concepts, but I'd like to bring the atention to the mouthpiece. Big cats use their mouths for their kills.... to give them such a mouthpiece would probably hinder them. An open helmet would be better in my opinion...
I don't think Jale was at all suggesting that exact helmet. I'm pretty sure that Jale was suggesting a helmet style similar to that, but modified to suit a feline.
Yup I was suggesting a sallet because it is a helmet with nothing around the jaw, which means they would be able to bite.
My current hazy ideas are...
Anaequian Medium: Loose chainmail with some leather plates over a coloured tunic - this is the desert region so would need the air flow, also would need to be closest to the Cherim's heart of anaequia description
Anaequian Light: Similar to the Medium but with cloth and leeather replacing the chain to reduce the weight - keeps it in the same style while changing it just enough
Tribal Medium: Brigandine armor made of metal over leather (its small plates attached to an undercoat)with coloured cloth over much of the body - brigandine armor was very cheap and easy to maintain as the small plates could be replaced individually
Tribal Light: Lammellar armor (lots of small leather plates sewn together in an overlapping way) with much cloth - looks similar to brigandine while being lighter, and is also cheap
Pellitine Medium: Like that picture earlier...
[img]http://www.schmitthenner.com/images/SCH1060a.jpg[/img]
ie tighter chain and leather, more decorative - keeps the materials and key features the same while making it more fitting to the cooler southern land
Pellitine Light: Just leather, in a similar style to the Medium - keeps the Pellitine theme and looks more suited to the south.
I've been thinking, chainmail is very heavy. It's almost as heavy as a plate cuirass, just much more flexible. Would it be the most wise to use something like that for desert warriors? If I recall, Bedouin (sp?), Hittite, Assyrian and other desert countries of ancient times never really liked chain mail in the first place... right? Perhaps, include sort of an Egyptian theme into the Khajiit armor? The fort WAS named Sphinxmoth after all.
The think is that in the only description we have, it says hauberks which 99 times out of 100 means a chainmail coat. However I am making it very light chainmail...you shall see
EDIT: Currently drawing the Tribal medium variety.
Sort of like Ultima Online's "ringmail" to the chainmail? Wider rings is all... sounds like a good idea, but wouldn't the bigger rings lower the flexibility?
I was thinking a matching yellow/bronzish orange barbuta styled helmet with earholes.
