a thought

cwandell · Post by **cwandell** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:22 pm

I was up last night thinking and strangely enough, Tamriel came to mind, we know their are frost Daedra and Fire Daedra, but are their others like them? I mean frost and fire are considered elements, so are their elemental Daedra that we justh avn't encountered?

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:06 pm

Well, there are shock atronaches too

Golems are similar to atronaches, only they are man-made so to speak. They come in a variety of kinds: fire, frost, shock and flesh are those I know of for sure.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:33 am

Sources are unclear about the difference between a golem (ice, iron, and stone were seen in Arena), an Atronach (ice, iron, fire and flesh were seen in Daggerfall) and Daedra.

Why ? Because in Daggerfall, atronach are clearly golems, while in Morrowind, they are described as being "neutral daedra from the elemental planes".

My opinion is that actually, both are right, in a way. Created atronachs (like those seen in Daggerfall) are powered with the captured souls of elemental-spirit atronachs (like those seen in Morrowind).

The difference between construct-atronachs and golems is thus a question of how it is made -- we can speculate that golems are powered by raw magic, without bound souls, and are thus much harder to create.

Finally, a third category of construct exists, it is the centurions, who are made according to special mechanical techniques made by the dwemer (and maybe infused with some divine elements, as it seems centurions in Morrowind depend on the proximity of Lorkhan's heart to work).

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:59 am

Actually Gez you are a bit off. There are three types
Elemental Deadra, Elemental Atranoc's, and elemental golems
(arena, daggerfall, battlespire, and Morrowind as sources.)
However like you said Bethesda has been anything but clear on the differences/similarities between them.
To me the difference is fire deadra are proper deadra, atronachs are lesser deadra that are more nuetral kinda like scamps, and golems are man/monster made creatures likely using the souls of atronachs (ala soul stones in daggerfall and morrowind and deadric item creation).

cwandell · Post by **cwandell** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:16 pm

assisstance is closer to my question then you two, but didn't answer it? are their for example a lightning Deadra or something along those lines?

Assassinace · Post by **Assassinace** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:48 pm

The closest in a real game is probly a storm atronach (they shoot lighting). Doesn't mean there isn't one but that looks closest that we know about.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:52 pm

In daggerfall there were both Fire Daedra and Fire Antronachs, Water Daedra, water antronachs etc etc. The word antronach seemed to mean golem.

EdAptra · Post by **EdAptra** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:15 pm

correct me if im wrong, but i suppose a daedra lord or daedra count would be a mixture of all the different types of dadera capable of doing many storm, shock, fire spells etc?

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:42 pm

No, the Daedra Lords and Counts are separate kinds of Daedra. Kind of like how scamps, daedroths and atronaches are entirely different creatures.