Encyclopedia Tamrielica

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:22 am

i didnt read every post on this topic, but fromwhat i gathered we are all deciding to create an encyclopedia for TR. well the perfect place to put this (for now) would be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt

yes wikipedia. we could all put what we wanted in at any time, and if any of us saw a mistake or thought they could add something it would be extremely easy. wikipedia should be where we base "our" tamriel encyclopedia.

-edit- i am currently working on getting wikipedia to give us our own wiki site. an example of a wiki site is this http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Main_Page

instead of having to be archived with everything else, we will have our own main page. thats all for tonight.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:37 am

That is definitly an idea, although people should keep their own copy incase somethind is edited that isn't agreeded apon.

Vernon · Post by **Vernon** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:25 am

knightmare wrote:well the perfect place to put this (for now) would be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt

No that would be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamriel_Enyclopedia

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Tamrielica

not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt

because

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt

is about Tamriel Rebuilt and not about Encyclopedia Tamrielica - the category will be purged by a cleaning team unless things are put in the correct place. So sure, start something under:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamriel_Enyclopedia

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Tamrielica

but not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt

unless it is specifically about Tamriel Rebuilt. Otherwise it will sound like Tamriel Rebuilt invented the ES universe and is thus misinformation.

teh

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:24 am

But it will be fine to link it to the other topic, make sure of course that it is explained what it is, so that they realize we are not trying to misinform of course. Still a pretty good idea.

knightmare · Post by **knightmare** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:21 pm

i said i was working on getting our own wiki site. in this case we wouldnt be with the entire encyclopedia but we would have out own wikipedia lke the link i posted. (btw that mud is a fun game and you guys should try it out.)

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:55 pm

Our own Wiki would be a waste of time. Writing an article at Wikipedia called Encyclopedia Tamriellica or whatever would be a bad idea because that is not what the Wiki is for.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:37 am

Guys, face a fact. Tamriel Rebuilt changes a lot. We would need to update our Wiki page to reflect this. We can't even keep our main page updated, so what makes you think that we would keep the Wiki article updated?
Also, that page was created by someone not on the Core, so... I say screw it.

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:40 am

Yeah. Writing a wiki? What the crap? This is an in game encyclopedia we're talking about.

So far, I'm working on the bare bones of the Encyclopedia using what info I've found on the web. It's mostly just a copy/paste effort, and so far I've got about 100 pages total. I think I'll finally admit to Sload that Map 1 is more important, so don't get your hopes up by working on the categories I listed. In the best-case scenario, I think we'll just have people add entries of what we've made in TR (creatures, ingredients, etc.) to that skeleton I'm making.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:42 am

You realize, of course, that everything you will find in relation to lore has a bias on it, right? I would be impressed if you can find any lore that is outright truth, without any sort of bias on it. So if this encyclopedia will have a big conglomeration of lore in it, how will you account for that?

Vegor · Post by **Vegor** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:00 am

Even encyclopediae are merely ones point of view. There are plenty of encyclopediae from the late Middle-Ages with a ton of crap in them. That doesn't mean the things didn't have any reason to exist. Quite the contrary, in a world with so much mystery but also a lot of knowledge there will be people who'll try to record everything known in one single book or one single series of books. Obviously, he will fail in describing almost everything precisely. Most likely, our encyclopediae have a ton of errors in them as well at which we'll laugh in a century or two.

I also don't see any race that won't do this. Perhaps except for Nords, but even a rare Nord could do this. Mainly Imperial will write something like this, but they already have something similar in the PGE, as Sload remarked. I don't see why some random, curious, knowledge-thirsty Dunmer can't write an Encyclopedia Morrowindia (with a different name, obviously) though. Not on Tamriel but just on Morrowind.

TÃƒÂºrelio · Post by **TÃƒÂºrelio** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:27 am

That would be an interesting concept, sort of like a PGE but with Dunmer bias instead of Imperial bias. The PGE is quite biased too, especially towards Mer, so this would be an interesting switch, if done like that.

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:18 am

nah...I think we've at least got enough material from the two prior elder scrolls to give the impression that this covers all of Tamriel.

Savant · Post by **Savant** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:51 am

Here's my beta Encyclopedia. Sorry if it has to be in an excel document for now, but I really did find the sorting features better than on Word.

Keep in mind this is all just preliminary: I copy/pasted most of this stuff from UESP and Zephyr's Treasury, so feel free to add entries about TR related subjects (creatures, ingredients, factions, etc.) and edit preexisting entries. This is what I've so far been on the look out for:
-grammar/spelling
-lack of racial/political bias
-references to TES as a game (ex. including the words "RPG", "gamer", etc.)
-detail the entry goes into (for instance, the entry "Cyrodiil" should probably have more paragraphs in its entry than, say, something like "scrib jelly")
-use of the first person (a couple of these entries might come from in-game dialogue, thus using the first person)

I also need some information as to what this "dragon break" actually was so I can make an entry for it. So far I've not been able to sap out a word of meaning from "The Dragon Break Reexamined" and "Where were you when the Dragon Broke", and its a pretty important entry, concidering that's how we know about this entire encyclopedia!

Also, could someone with a little authority get to moving this page into the literature section?

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:47 am

I've only glanced through it, but you are missing Hunding Bay, a watermass south of Hammerfell and north of Stros M'kai.

Resadyn · Post by **Resadyn** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:09 am

Alot of your entries of "Knights of the _____" Are in first person.

Lots of nice info though.

Ill copy some of the entries where mistakes were made.
Bold is mistakes, Italics is where I added something.

Scrib Jerky scribs cut into strips and dried in the sun, having modest magical properties and extreme longevity.

Secunda Another name for Jone, the litte moon god.

Shalk Resin the tough, soluble substance extracted from shalk hides for use as glue and stiffeners in making bonemold and chitin armor.

Skar the shell of a deceased Emperor crab. Such rare and valuable shells are often used even in the present day by the native Dunmer of Morrowind.

Sload Soap a waxy substance made from the immature, non-sentient forms of the sload.

All im willing to do now, maybe more later.

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:58 am

It's nice that you have written what you have, but there is a simple problem to this, which I don't think has been covered.

The EncyclopÃƒÂ¦dia Tamrielica is just too fucking long to work in game. You'ld need a hundred books to put it all in, in an accessible and friendly manner. The encyclopÃƒÂ¦dia would have to be updated constantly when Oblivion is relased in a couple of months. Also, there is far too much Morrowind bias from what I skimmed over. In reality, Black Marsh and Morrowind would have the least amount of entries, by far, and Cyrodiil, Skryim and High Rock to have the most.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:40 pm

And most of that is just copied and not written to fit an ingame encylopedia anyways.