Blacklight - Uhh....

Pythearon · Post by **Pythearon** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:45 pm

Hi, I just started with TR but I was wanting to primarily focus on Blacklight and the surrounding spots. I loaded up the ame and decided to have a look around to see what needed to be done and I came upon a place called the Library. Im not to sure who did this interior but im pretty sure this has got to be a lore and plot killing spot. The guy you first see when you enter the door is in a full set of daedric armor which, though I am not a lore or ES know-it-all, I know there is only supposed to be two full sets of this in all of TES. One is owned by that scientist having to do with Corpus quests. The second is scattered through the world in several P.I.T.A. locals. Continuing down the hallway, you see a full set of Ice Armor and enchanted Wolf Hide Armor. A full set of Glass, Ebony, and etc.. is also available. Regardless of the fact that this makes it WAY to easy to aquire these pieces even without cheating, it is far from nearly possible that there would be this much "epic" or "legendady" armor in one place. These specific sets are things that you should not see together on some random NPC. They are supposed to be things that are hard to get. The occasional NPC having it shows that the NPC is in fact the shit lol. Bethesda meant for these items to be spaced out and limited and also not to be sold in shops or have full sets drop off people. If that were the fact then we could just put Herhand Enchanted Armor on everyone and give it to lvl 1 PC's.

Side question: I am getting some missing mesh pop-ups with Map 5 (Blacklight). Anyone have any ideas how to fix this?

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:48 pm

the current version of Blacklight is outdated and not to be trusted nor used. The last I heard, Vernon was redoing the entire thing, as it did not follow lore or model conventions.

Xui'al · Post by **Xui'al** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:51 pm

Blacklight is a mess, as Haplo said. But redoing a town is alot of work, so if you are interesting, you could PM Vernon to see if he is interesting in your help. I also believe that a former TR member is working on a personal Blacklight project, but I will not speak of it, as I fear the scary Dwemer robot, and Mr. Biceps.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:28 pm

The current Blacklight version, for those who don't want to see it disappear, will always be available in Rodan's Blacklight mod, a partner of Silgrad Tower.

Pythearon · Post by **Pythearon** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:35 am

I have already contacted Rodan about this and his version. He doesnt have a clean version to work with and he is having some major problems with the meshes. I cant run half of that map due to the missing meshes. I just need a place with the lack of problems so that i cant sink in and start gettin things done. I would really love to do exteriors if hes doin the entire city over again or by that did you mean hes redoing all the interiors? Either way im not trying to make a fuss of course, just mentioning something That was WAY out of place. If i could be used anywhere else, I would really like to be told so that i could work there.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:38 am

Well, Vernon's version will be in Hlaalu style, so nothing will be staying. Assuming Vernon's version will ever be made.

Inferno_str1ke · Post by **Inferno_str1ke** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:00 pm

Blacklight is a great town, it's a great shame that people felt the need to totally redo it. I must have missed whatever discussions went on, but I would have just recomended that the interiors were redone, as the rest of the town was fantastic.

Post by **Haplo** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:18 pm

Well, we do tend to follow lore here at TR, Inferno. Just a little bit. Blacklight was, if I'm allowed to say it, a city built to the vision of ST. Our vision and ST's differ greatly.

Inferno_str1ke · Post by **Inferno_str1ke** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:41 pm

I suppose, though it was made by one of the founders of TR. And I do know about the lore following aspect of TR. Been here longer than you young'un *slaps leg, guffaws and plays the banjo*

Pythearon · Post by **Pythearon** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 8:50 am

Regardless, i believe, of lore or not, if it was meant to be an imperials town, he didnt even build it like an imperial town and he mixed in redoran and imperial influence and stretched the town over six cells, and added the lovely Dark Guard...

This town really needed to be redone...Not to sure about the hlaalu thing though.

Inferno_str1ke · Post by **Inferno_str1ke** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:56 pm

Yes, looking at the faction map, it shows that the area is clearly Redoran occupied - meaning Blacklight would make more sense as it currently is rather than a Hlaalu town. And nearby Cormaris View will, I expect, have to be removed, as that is a Hlaalu town as well.

The whole area is kind of strange, as Haplo says, due to the nature of ST differing from TR. However, it does provide some interesting contrasts, and it is always good to have different modder styles, that way land doesn't become too samey - we must remember this when doing claim detailing.

Pythearon · Post by **Pythearon** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:57 am

Sload wrote:Well, Vernon's version will be in Hlaalu style, so nothing will be staying. Assuming Vernon's version will ever be made.

...yet they wont let me make it...

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:58 am

Pythearon wrote:
Sload wrote:Well, Vernon's version will be in Hlaalu style, so nothing will be staying. Assuming Vernon's version will ever be made.
...yet they wont let me make it...

We aren't letting you make it because Vernon is an Administrator, and we don't just revoke ANY claims because someone else wants it, especially when an Admin holds it.

Inferno_str1ke · Post by **Inferno_str1ke** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:45 am

I guess the thing when revoking such a large claim is that it can't just be put back up for claiming by anyone - some people couldn't handle that size of claim on their own. So deciding to revoke it at the same time as giving it to someone else (and admin in this case) was the most sensible option. Don't worry Pythearon, sure there'll be more Hlaalu stuff to do in the future. And you never know, Vernon might even get bored and decide to revoke his own claim.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 4:59 pm

Even though, having seen Pyth's work, at several stages, his WIP was tons better than Rodan's final.

Pythearon · Post by **Pythearon** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:01 pm

Haplo wrote:Even though, having seen Pyth's work, at several stages, his WIP was tons better than Rodan's final.

And if you havent seen the newest stuff, there is a new .rar of it up in the Tavern. The fact that you wont revoke it from an already busy admin is something that is a little amazing seeing that TR is more than likely coming up on its final days on the Morrowind project. Instead of letting someone do it and at least try to get it done, someone has it whom is on vacation and when he gets back, is more than likely working on map 1 detailing.

Inferno: I dont just want this to build hlaalu, i want it because i really want to see it some what finished...at least the exterior.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:25 pm

Have you tried simply PM'ing Vernon to ask him about what he feels on this subject? If he's too taken by other things (which is possible), he might have had simply given you his WIP and the claim...

But it's somewhat rude to try to take by force someone else's claim.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:31 pm

Vernon is on vacation at the moment.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:47 pm

Pythearon, I personally have nothing against you, but trying to take away Vernon's claim while he is on vacation is not going to reflect well upon you. Do not tell us how to run this project. We most certainly will not revoke the claim from Vernon because he is on vacation. Vernon is actually not as busy with TR as you would think, and he has demonstrated that he is a sublime exterior builder. Now I don't want to hear any more about you wanting to take it away from him, because as someone who has had an exterior claim, this comes off as an insult.

Pythearon · Post by **Pythearon** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:59 am

That is simply amazing. Youare the second person who has told me that im am trying to tell you how to run your project. You need to drop your power trip and realize that questions (the things ending in ?'s) do not mean im trying to tell you what to do. Those usually end in .'s or !'s. I dont care what you do with your project, i just want to help. I also dont want Vernon's claim revoked. If you had actually told me why in the beginning (sload) instead of telling me that I would never have the chance to work on the project, I would have stopped asking. As to having contacted Vernon, I have contacted him directly and he has ignored my PM. He has been active on these forums, so i am assuming he is ignoring which I do not really care about. As I have stated several time to, I guess, deaf people, I DO NOT want the claim. I am merely building it for practice and feedback. Not only have i stated this in front of sload, haplo, and stalker on Mirc, but i just posted (like a day ago) a post in the forums that says this exact thing. It is Black Light: The Never to Be Seen posted in The Tavern. Please try checking this and don't automatically assume im trying to take someones claim. Ive already had Haplo tell me how to go about claiming it and I havent even gotten a response...from anyone. I dont care about it enough to jepordize my ability to work on this project in the future.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:15 am

...yet they wont let me make it...

This town really needed to be redone...

The fact that you wont revoke it from an already busy admin is something that is a little amazing seeing that TR is more than likely coming up on its final days on the Morrowind project. Instead of letting someone do it and at least try to get it done, someone has it whom is on vacation and when he gets back, is more than likely working on map 1 detailing.

Forgive us for reading between the lines... it sure sounds like you want it. Just understand that TR has never revoked claims on a whim. Sure, people take breaks, but getting this project done ASAP isn't as important as taking away somebody's baby. If Vernon was making a massacre of Blacklight, maybe.. but even then it would take some deliberation.

I know for a fact that the exterior landmass is not complete. I'm sure if you just ask, you can be given something which nobody else has claimed..if only to practice on.

Pythearon · Post by **Pythearon** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:29 am

Ok, well this is the last time im responding on this topic. I dont want it...thats final. Im making over the town only and only to show you guys what i can do. Haplo has kinda seen what i can do and hes only seen a shred. When i am finished I will only be using Black Light to sshow that i can mod and then maybe i can do something for the Oblivian Project.

Morden: And that about taking away from an admin was a general statement regarding why the task would not be taken from an already busy person.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:36 am

Please just stop the fire
I don't like it burning
You don't want a warning
Please just stop the fire
Don't try to relight it
Just try to fight it

Hugs and kisses, everyone.

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:44 am

*ahem* Billy Joel, everyone, Billy Joel.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:22 am

I once saw that song performed live at Disneyland by a Billy Joel impersonator... lucky me.

And now for the matters at hand:

*Locked*

Tamriel Rebuilt

Blacklight - Uhh....

Blacklight - Uhh....

uh huh

wha?

Re: wha?

lol

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