Outlandish Rihad Idea Thread

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:53 pm

If we had no, morals, ideals, aspirations, or quality controls... what would you like to see in Rihad? How would you make Rihad the ultimate cool-fest. This is purely hypothetical. This isn't a request for ideas we will implement. I'm just curious to see what people would do if given the chance.

Please try to keep it semi-serious and plausible. If your first instinct is: "I would like to see Chuck Norris".. don't even hit the reply button. Also, please try to keep it simple. Lengthy discussion of ancient Roman economics and how they pertain to TES trade systems is overboard.

Fly at it.

My first outlandish ideas:

-Statues from an ancient era, half buried in the ground. Sometimes only a few body parts sticking out. But if you have a certain item/spell you can activate them and they'll appear as as summoned creature to fight for you.

-Giant Yokudan god heads like on Easter Island...lying around in the wilderness by Rihad and up the coast through the Gold Moor region.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:06 pm

Snake Charmers...they are a feature of Hammerfell in general I think, and so worth having.

A Bazaar specialising in Imperial goods. Its a border city so I guess that they would have a booming import/export business.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:20 pm

I might depict it in a moment, in a picture. I would love a dirty dusty port town, with fishermen down by the river mouth (marshy disgusting land), so they can sell slaughterfish at the market. There are old crazy redguard men in the street.. with cornrows, so old, they are plated in mud, begging crosslegged. Extensive open air markets, selling dusty tapestries, old common clothes, hand made weapons, meat slections, all surrouding a sub ground level square muddy pond, the locals bathe themselves in. Burnt out houses, destroyed buildings. However, on the more upmarket side a really old beautiful city, with winding alleyways, going up stairs, women hanging washing up on their white-painted sandstone balconies. While neighbours bicker about the latest gossip, still not posh, still not anymore rich than the other place, just not slums. A beautiful view of the water from the highest buildings, and at the pinnacle of the cliff top, after following one of several twisty alleys, at the top, is a beautiful chapel, that is also the palace. It's grounds have perfect circles drilled in them, in which perfect altmer height cypress trees grow. And beautiful flower boxes, surrounding the outside throne, where the young count and countess look into each others eyes and laugh. Beggars line up everyday at the 2 thrones, adn the generous couples hand out 5 gold to each beggar. The beggars will scramble and sometimes stumble down the stringey, winding alleyways, to the market by the pond, buy some skooma, and waddle down by the marshy river mouth, take their skooma and look up at the lighthouse in awe.

EDIT: I think I got teh wrong idea of what to write.

heres mine

-White Sandstone buildings and winding alleyways, with Cypress trees

-Old Beggars

-Open air markets, with funny things being sold. Having perhpas meats on display. Or a seafood section, with slaughter fish and mudcrabs.

-Fishermen wading knee deep in marshy bits looking for pearls, or fish, or crabs.

To see my view of Rihad, heres an Image search:

http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=Oia

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:51 pm

Alleyways. Lots of alleyways. A funky two level sort of city where the poor people scury around in grubby alleys under the bridges carrying the rich.

Orix · Post by **Orix** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:34 pm

Elephants would be cool...

In the rich part of town, a small orchard of cultivated fig trees would be a nice touch.

An overgrown sundial would be amazing, possibly similar to that one in Redguard that Jale showed us, I always wondered how people in Oblivion knew the time, all the time... them and their schedules!

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:43 pm

RAI un-handicapped and with settings so we see some more livelyness.

Beggars stealing after a while of getting no donations, rival pirate gangs randomly getting into street fights, guards avoiding outlaw owned parts of town. that whole sorta thing.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:44 pm

Blue mold, but you can't get high on it.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:54 pm

Morden wrote:If we had no, morals, ideals, aspirations, or quality controls... what would you like to see in Rihad?

I'd have courtesans with gaudily painted faces and shimmering ankle bracelets stroll the streets and avenues. I'd like to see processions where effete priests in sulfer coloured robes wave around toxic bright coloured censers, carrying obnoxious hideous idols around town.
On every streetcorner are priests and philosophers of any religion, and every philosophy proclaiming their truths.
There should also be a bazaar and it should have a street exclusively occupied by spice sellers.
I picture a great temple with a HUGE statue of Teat brandishing twelfe arms, in twelve arms (yes I know she's got only four!).
I also envision baths, that are mostly in use for other purposes now.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:55 pm

Yer. I agree with baths, there ahve to be public baths, somehow.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:05 pm

Hagglers! Gratuitous scantily clad 'exotic' dancers! Outrageous wealth going hand in hand with abominable poverty. Drugged wines and rare cosmetics. Pets that receive better treatment than their master's servants. Chthonic gods who demand blood sacrifices of black horses in a pit at midnight, their archaic smiles seeming to move in the flickering torchlight. Offerings of exotic flowers for the gods along the street. Bowls of pomegranets piled up in the taverns.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:12 pm

I have to asy, the spice market really turns me on. IN a non sexual way. I like teh idea, of lots of vials of spices on display. Perhaps there should be spices, and if you drop them as a group, it could be in vials!!!

MMM, I like the ideas Harke, But it's gotta be a town, just like Oia.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:29 pm

Holy men, dressed only in their beards and dreads sitting around a sacred lotus pond. Mughal style pavilions wherein people sit and smoke their water-pipes all day. Everybody and everything but the architecture wearing bright colours like magenta, lemon yellow, cyan, or poison green.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:36 pm

Replacing Cyan, with Royal blue. And lemon yellow, with just Yellow. And replacing Magenta with Clay red. And replacing poison green with pastel green.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:41 pm

Snake charmers, definitely. And their snakes would always be named Demithiva. (Sorry, Arena.)

And speaking of Arena, all women in Rihad would be clad in bikini.
[url=http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rihad7uu.png][img]http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4411/rihad7uu.th.png[/img][/url]

Lud · Post by **Lud** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:29 pm

Jale wrote:A pilgrimage of the Yoku worshippers, barely endured by the Forebear locals. Sort of once a year, they all swim thought the city in a big orgy of snakyness, and due to the number of defenceless people, the locals just allow it because to massacre them would be very dishonourable.

Ahem
Ahem
Ahem

Wonder where that idea came from?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:54 pm

*tips hat to Ludo*

I dont thin the bikini thing was exclusive to ahmmerfell, Gez.

Post by **Gnomey** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:05 pm

I had an idea about a quest based in Rihad that would probably go against so much lore that it could not be taken seriously, but in the end I don't think it has enough to do with Rihad itself, maybe you should start an 'Outlandish Hammerfell' thread.

Anyway, I see drug-addict, mad priests who bump into you in the street and tell you that the path through the universe that you follow to obtain Godhood is copied in the province of Hammerfell, that they themselves took this path, following a snake who, they say, is the God himself who came down to lead their way. I see 'Snake charmers' who are really assassins who use command creature to make their snakes 'accidently' bite marked people while they pass, or make them slither up the side of walls to sneak into a man's bedroom. I see a hidden cannibal market, where the sellers simply tell the Imperials that they are selling local animal meat, and fiendishly hope that an Imperial will take a sample home to his loving wife and children for the evening meal. Basically, as an outlandish Rihad I'd like a copletely evil city.

As a less malicious Outlandish Rihad, I see Mammoth-like monsters, piled high with trade goods, walking down very wide streets with a grid plan, on the side of the streets there are niches that are specially made for beggars. Is see 'honest folk' scoffing the beggars as they pass. Many heated barfights break out in taverns, often ending with the owner having to carry out a body at night, so as not to damage business. I see tired Imperials turning a deaf ear to the law, as it is so little followed, so that a slave market was even able to appear. I then see the Imperials being replaced and, by a sudden upsurge of law enforcement, the whole town enters a heavy battle. A confused, huge market is in the middle of the city with an open twmple in the middle. Here, umongst the crazed babble of the markets, rich people give chunks of meat as a gift to the Gods, only to be stolen by moneyless wretches who are too stared to even think of the gods. The market itself is half-covered by tons of brightly coloured overhangs and filled with strange creatures, ingrediants, cloths, all being brought in by a steady stream of caravans which pass the dillapedated buildings...

I, like pound, am flooded with ideas.

(Sorry the post is so long.

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Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:05 pm

[img]http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3623/rosa102ld.jpg[/img]

Cross-dressing 'shaman', courtesy of the Daggerfall Crossroads site. The words 'Rodman' and 'Dennis' come into mind, not necessarily in that order.

!Warning! the following links are not suitable for children of any age or form!

Here is a link with some holy men, have your pick!
http://www.adolphus.nl/sadhus/tapass.html#lingaworship

personally I like the Aghoris best:
http://www.adolphus.nl/sadhus/shiva.html#nagas

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:58 am

Definately would like to see a cross country horse back race. Drag Racing too!!! (Mans gotta dream!)

And a Reference to Queen.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:27 am

ch85us2001 wrote:
And a Reference to Queen.

Were you thinking of letting the inmates in the local incarceration facilities sing: 'Mama Mia..mamma mia let me go!''No no no no no no NO!'.

Rihad could also do with an aesthete or two.

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:23 pm

Harke the Apostle wrote:
ch85us2001 wrote:
And a Reference to Queen.
Were you thinking of letting the inmates in the local incarceration facilities sing: 'Mama Mia..mamma mia let me go!''No no no no no no NO!'.

Sheogorath has a daedra put aside for me . . for meee . . . FOR MEEEE!

I would also like to see a long fall from a tower, though I know it cant happen.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:11 pm

most of my ideas involve greater NPC customasation and new animations....

exotic dancers!

... actualy, i havent given rihad much though

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Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:13 pm

Rihad should also hold a reference to Country Music, a place where farmer and fisher sitar players with the 'traditional' Rihadi reed Shtreimel hats, come together and sing their Hammerfellian songs, and it should have a singer named Dolli Pardwen.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:04 pm

Lady Nerevar wrote:most of my ideas involve greater NPC customasation and new animations....

exotic dancers!

... actualy, i havent given rihad much though [/code]

I think Morden meant this thread as sort of a brainstorm exercise, if this wasn't the case, I would have remarked that Rihad would need to be much like Anvil.

Rihad should also have servants, who are dressed up in garments that are best described as the male version of what Barbara Eden wore in 'I Dream of Jeanie'.

I seem to have trouble coming up with a picture, but
I'm thinking of a fez, harem pants, curly-toed shoes, and a too small jerkin with nothing underneath it, al in burgundy.

[sorry for double posting, I've been trying to google up an appropriate image for about an hour now, and I forgot]

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:13 pm

People in the street strumming Gamelan drums, and playing on flutes!!!

Anyway, I will ahve a picture soon!

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:11 pm

lb003g0676 wrote:People in the street strumming Gamelan drums, and playing on flutes!!!

Anyway, I will ahve a picture soon!

No! It would be too much like Barcelona!

The water-clock of Ctesibius (A working one is probably not possible)

A water-organ.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:52 pm

I am twice as old as three times the age of
the Sphinx of Gazia, Agamamnus,
divided by one-ninth the age of
the Sphinx of Canus, Igon,
who left this world twenty-six years ago.
What then is my age?

A sphinx in the palace' gardens. Based on a rework of the mountain lion mesh, but bigger, with the human head, wings (would stay folded, though, since Oblivion cannot manage flight) and breasts. And she would have riddles. Through messageboxes because Oblivion cannot have talking creatures.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:03 pm

[img]http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2359/dragling3ni.gif[/img]

Dragonlings as not quite tame pets of aristocratic ladies, who walk them on gem encrusted leashes.

An enlightened ruler, who wears a silver mask, (like Baldwin IV in Kingdom of Heaven), who is in fact a lich.

CleverClothe · Post by **CleverClothe** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:14 am

Being that I love exteriors...

- Roofs you can climb on.

- Couryards.

- Very diverse RAI packages.

[Edit: Just thought of another.]

- Theater with live NPC actors and scripted plays. Best with audio but would take time.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:12 am

CleverClothe wrote:
- Theater with live NPC actors and scripted plays. Best with audio but would take time.

I think the theatre is better suited for Sentinel, but Hammerfell definitely should have one. I really liked the Tribunal quest.
I want 'the Old Slave Market' now of course not used anymore, and the Concubines 'University'.(And I'm not going to clutter up this thread arguing about it).

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:26 pm

Gimme alleyways.

viKING · Post by **viKING** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:48 pm

alleyways and markets selling rare stuff from all over tamriel... not in big amounts but as very rare items

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:39 am

Gez wrote:Through messageboxes because Oblivion cannot have talking creatures.

Judging by the untested evidence I found in the CS, this is not the case. Do you have any actual evidence to support your claim?

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:51 am

This thread isn't a court case. You want an adversarial debate, do it elsewhere.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:55 am

Excuse me, but that information is of great relevance to Stirk's quest. I'd like to know if there's been testing shown that I need to use message boxes before I make it. If it's just Gez's hunch, I don't think I need to worry, but if it isn't, again, I'd really like to know.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:57 am

Then make a new thread concerning Stirk's quest. This is the Outlandish Rihad Idea Thread

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:05 am

We have such a thread, the information was brought up here. It would've been offtopic for two posts had were you not so irrationally objecting.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:09 am

So now i'm irrational because I don't want you cross examining a TR Modder in a fun thread? Messege me on MSN if you want to continue this.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:14 am

A monastary of shehai warrior-monks!

And maybe some enterprising modeller or texturer could give them some spirit swords?

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:35 am

[url=http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=367195]For Sload (who can't talk in Oblivion, except through scripts and messageboxes).[/url] People tried. With lions, spriggans, and others. It doesn't work. Game just don't react, and editor will crash if trying to preview a "talking" critter. Why do you think Bethesda made dremora into a full-fledged race? Not for pretty variety, as the Xivilai look better than them. And then, why wouldn't have Xivilai, spriggans, skeletons, zombies, and other humanoid creatures made full-fledged humanoids? No, it was made to have talking dremoras... Like the talking ghosts, have you noticed they're all humanoids with chameleon rather than wraiths or similar creatures?

Talking creatures can be made, but with a script similar to the Mournhold Players, rather than an actual conversation. DisablePlayerControl for the duration of the dialogue, playsound for the creature's speech, and messagebox with choices for the player. That's the only workaround, because creatures have no face and no lips.

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