Official Hammerfell Region Map

Pug · Post by **Pug** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:47 pm

"The Great Shield Mountains" or the just "The Great Shield."

I dont know much about lore for TES, but maybe you could change the language for "Shield" into somthing more TES? Dunno if hammerfell has a language.

If not maybe find some little known word like "Escutcheon". "Escutcheon Mountains" sounds lame tho.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:50 pm

Haplo wrote:I dunno, I was kind of leaning towards the Fringes, myself.

Just think... 'The Periphery Mountains!'

That wouldn't he a happy choice. The word 'periphery' originally meant circumference. It would suggest that the mountains run around Hammerfell. They don't. Not with the Dragontail Mountains occupying such a large part of the border.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=periphery&searchmode=none

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:32 pm

*Breath*

This is what I want to say because I am human.

I was being sarcastic, thank you for noticing. The Periphery Mountains would never work. I would have hoped that was obvious.

I am a Literature Moderator. If I use a word, especially in a joke, I more than likely know what it means, and bear in mind I might intend a different meaning of a word than the one you're thinking of.

Since Jale was thinking of words that mean something similar to border, I put that little joke out there.

This is what I'm going to say because I am smarter than a human:

It was intended as a joke.

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:47 pm

"Shield" by itself sounds rather.. I don't know, bland. I'm with Pug, if we can find a similar word that isn't as boring as "Shield" then that'll be cool. Otherwise, I'd rather just stick with "The Reach" (nearby region in Skyrim.) "Dragonmaw" also makes sense, especially when we factor in Fang Lair.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:52 pm

I thoguht bulwark was quite cool.

Just a bit of possibly useless stuff but I looked up the Swahilli for a wall, and it was 'Ukuta'. Its a wall of mountains...sounds pretty Yoku...could work.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:38 am

But teeth generally don't factor into the maw of a maw, its the big gaping thing of it.

Unfortunatelly, the only shield word we know is Vvarden, which means "Great Stone Shield" in Dwemeri. While the Dwemer did sorta inhabit the area, calling it The Vvarden just sounds odd, especially with Vvardenfell being so famous among our target audience.

Further, what's wrong with The Shield? Why does it have to be uberized to OMG ITS THE MEGA AWESOME SHIELD OF DOOM MOUNTAIN RANGE. I suggest calling the part that borders the Helkori, so the lower part, the Shield and having it be very cliffy. The upper parts would be uninhabitted and just called the West Reach.

Pug · Post by **Pug** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:46 am

Not saying the name should be uberized, just suggesting it be more intresting and unusual/rare.

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:55 am

Pug wrote:Not saying the name should be uberized, just suggesting it be more intresting and unusual/rare.

Seconding this. Not saying it needs to be uber, just that "The Shield" is rather bland by itself. Kind of like if the "Great Plains" had just been named "The Plains." (Not that the 'Great Plains' is the most interesting name there is.)

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:04 am

But it isn't great or majestic or anything. It's just a small strip of mountains between Hammerfell and Skyrim.

And the Great Plains analogy was flawed. If we were considering the Mountains, then it would correct. Or if we were discussing what to call a shield. But this is a range of mountains. The Shield is a perfectly interesting name for them.

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:04 am

It needs to actually sound like a region to begin with.

I like something to do with dragons and teeth/jaw because of fang lair and near the dragontail mountains.

Dragon Jaw Mountains!

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:08 am

You like the most boring idea possible, eh? Dragon has been done. It's been beaten to a pulp.

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:18 am

Sload wrote:But it isn't great or majestic or anything. It's just a small strip of mountains between Hammerfell and Skyrim.

Then why don't we just keep it all under the name "Dragontail" but have two different region styles for it?

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:19 am

Because it forms a 90 degree angle with the Dragontails.

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/stanley/shieldofthegreatdragonmawreach.png[/img]

My opinion.

And I think some of you are confused about these mountains. They're simply..unimportant. They Dragontails are shown on most maps, so we know exactly where they are. Then there's the question of why they're shown. It's because they're particularly tall. These are just sort of shorty mountains in between of no particular interest. Like Europe.

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:35 am

All right, fair enough. My vote goes for "The Shield Wall" then.

Pug · Post by **Pug** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:40 am

If theres a ridge, how about The Shield Ridge, The Shield Rampart or somthing else that has to do with a barrier of some sort. Or Claw Ridge (or somthing similar) to keep it related to the dragon.

The shield wall has been used in Dune lol

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:42 am

I would have to go with Habbanya Ridge.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:33 am

Sload wrote:But teeth generally don't factor into the maw of a maw, its the big gaping thing of it.

Unfortunatelly, the only shield word we know is Vvarden, which means "Great Stone Shield" in Dwemeri. While the Dwemer did sorta inhabit the area, calling it The Vvarden just sounds odd, especially with Vvardenfell being so famous among our target audience.

Further, what's wrong with The Shield? Why does it have to be uberized to OMG ITS THE MEGA AWESOME SHIELD OF DOOM MOUNTAIN RANGE. I suggest calling the part that borders the Helkori, so the lower part, the Shield and having it be very cliffy. The upper parts would be uninhabitted and just called the West Reach.

I think that is because Vvardenfell was meant to be a shield volcano, making the whole island of Vvardenfell essentially one mountain I'm not going to argue geology again, but the Shield (Wall/Ridge/Mountains ?) guards towards the East rather than facing upwards, like Vvardenfell.
Maybe if you added the Dwemer word for 'wall', if there is one, it would sound better. I like this reference to the Dwemer.

@ Haplo: I've been defeated by your superior sense of irony again.

Hmmm...
The Irony Mountains? Lots of mines...

How about the 'Forester Ridge'? There would be a 'brook' there as well. It fits the marginalized position it has among the mountainranges of Tamriel.

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sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:33 am

Sload wrote:They're really just "them mountains over there" They're the edge of the mountains in Skyrim.

They could be the West Reach if we wanted.

I like West Reach alot - infinitely more than "Morwah's Teats". Why don't we rename the Adamantine Tower "Julianos's engorged Man-Hammer of Justice"?
The Shield just doesn't ring with me as a name for a mountain range... The Shields would make more sense, but is even less catchy. If everyone else wants it, though, I wont get in the way.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:25 am

Julianos' Engorged Man-Hammer of Justice eh? Sounds like a mighty weapon any warrior would be proud to weild.

But as for the mountains, Tailreach, perhaps. The dragonlings would work, possibly, seeing as they're a small part of the dragontails.

Pug · Post by **Pug** » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:41 pm

I'm liking Jale's Swahilli idea the most so far. Goes well with the other names already chosen.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:13 pm

So, this still isn't finished.

I'm pushing for the shield being the name of a cliff running along the road from Nimbel to Cliff Keep to Skaven. The currently named Helkori Mountains don't really need a name because there's nothing in them. I still like the West Reach.

And I don't want something Swahili for two reasons. First, everything we've made up ourselves but Goldmoor is exotic sounding. Second, this area is heavily Skyrim and lightly Hammerfell. It just makes sense that it'd have a more Skyrim type name.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:17 pm

Sload wrote:What? First, let's try to make it more original than Dragonsomething.

There's evidence in Arena that they were called the Dragon's Teeth.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:19 pm

How about 'The Kragen (Mountains)'? For reasons discussed in this thread:

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?p=183621#183621

The Rourken sub-clan the Kragen built Fang Lair nearby, so the name is relatively lore friendly. And of course 'crag' means rock.

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:05 pm

Can we get a final decision on this. Possibly write down all the options then take a vote, doesn't matter, but to resolve this soon would be advantages.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:46 am

[img]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8600/1rs0.jpg[/img]

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:54 am

Well, they are called the Dragon Tooth Mountains in lore but if you are trying to avoid the word "Dragon", Kragen Mountains is the way to go IMO.

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:55 am

Ah yes, I remember the references to the Dragon Tooth mountains in Daggerfall. Well, if we are voting, I vote for Kragen Mountains or The Kragen Mountain Range (just to be different). Vote? Admin Gavel?

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:16 am

Lol morden.

I don't remember dragon tooth mountains anywhere from daggerfall. but it does sound familiar, probably because of the dragontail mountains. Either way, it sounds better than the shield wall.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:40 am

Itt was said that the southern tip of the Dragon's Teeth, which stretches from the ice covered mounts of High Rock to the wooded forests of Valenwood, could be seen on the horizon from the top parapet of the Tower.

Quick everyone, does a mountain range stretch from High Rock to Valenwood? Think back to Oblivion, was there a mountain range running across the province?

The answer to both of these questions is no. The Dragon's Teeth have been excised from lore. Therefore, the last thing it should be is the Dragon's Teeth. I'm for the Shield myself, but the Shield Wall is nice. I do not like naming it after the Dwemer clan who lived at the very edge of it.

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:14 pm

What is the quote from? a book in DF? Such a source I'd rather rely on as accurate than the butt raping of lore they did in OB.

The dwemer clan was rourken, not kragen though.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:47 pm

We had short discussion on this topic in this thread:

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?p=183621#183621

As far as I know, the name is only mentioned in this quote from TIL:

It is said that Fang Lair was originally built by the Dwarves of Kragen. Legend has it that a Great Wyrm drove the Dwarves from their home in the Dragon's Teeth, and took the Lair for itself.

The Famous Places of Tamriel.

I said in my last post:

The Rourken sub-clan the Kragen built Fang Lair nearby, so the name is relatively lore friendly. And of course 'crag' means rock.

I should have said:

The Rourken sub-clan the Dwarves of Kragen built Fang Lair nearby, so the name is relatively lore friendly. And of course 'crag' means rock.

Pardon.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:02 pm

Bear in mind that lore came about before:

a) A series was even confirmed
b) The Dwemer were elves, not Dwarves
c) The Dwemer were considered extinct

So it means only slightly more than the document which states as lore that the kings of Tamriel should all be called Bubba. Its likely it just means 'border', as the city Kragenmoor in Morrowind was likewise an edge-place. The Border Dwarves. I dont think its a good name for the mountains. Not because it doesnt fit logically, just because its a tad close to Cyrodiil to be referencing obscure Dwemer words.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:06 pm

@ Jale:

I still think it beats Helkori Mountains. Now I will refrain from posting in this thread until a verdict is reached.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:12 pm

Helkori Mountains < Kragen Mountains < The Shield

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:38 pm

Harke the Apostle wrote:We had short discussion on this topic in this thread:

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?p=183621#183621

As far as I know, the name is only mentioned in this quote from TIL:

It is said that Fang Lair was originally built by the Dwarves of Kragen. Legend has it that a Great Wyrm drove the Dwarves from their home in the Dragon's Teeth, and took the Lair for itself.

Yup. And actually, if we consider Kragen is the name of the place, then it doesn't have to be a dwemer name at all. "The Dwarves of Kragen" doesn't imply Kragen was their own name for the place. Kragen Mounts has a nice ring to it.

Jale wrote:So it means only slightly more than the document which states as lore that the kings of Tamriel should all be called Bubba.

There's no such document. Arena doesn't feature any instance of "Bubba". It's just that the Librarians did not like placeholder code words with percentile. The real document states as lore that all the leaders of Tamriel's city states are not kings, but %t, and that their name is not Bubba, but %rf.

[Solitude]
%t %rf bids you welcome to the arctic
wastes of Solitude, the northern most
city-state in the realm. We are home to
the Ravagers. Beware our might...

I think I have already established that Rihad was ruled, at the time, by Queen Blubamka of the Funny Name. And while Blubamka does sound a bit like Bubba, it's not the same.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:49 pm

It came from the same page that all the other quotes about the Dragon's Teeth came from. That is, the only page that mountain range exists on. I find its existence extremely incredible (that is, without any credibility) even if we ignore Oblivion completely because Eraser thinks it butt-raped lore.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:09 pm

Gez wrote: There's no such document. Arena doesn't feature any instance of "Bubba". It's just that the Librarians did not like placeholder code words with percentile. The real document states as lore that all the leaders of Tamriel's city states are not kings, but %t, and that their name is not Bubba, but %rf.

Point me to where I said it was an official document.

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:19 pm

I feel like I want to be Regis here. Final decisions?

This region name is the last bit of the puzzle we need to finish off the teaser in-game map.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:22 pm

Morden wrote:[img]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8600/1rs0.jpg[/img]

Eraser · Post by **Eraser** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:32 am

The shield wall < anything else.

Please, unless we plan to make it a bunch of sheer cliffs that act as a huge barrier the shield wall just won't fit.