living cities!

Mindbasher · Post by **Mindbasher** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:10 pm

There are many plugins which give npc's a daily schedual, they are at home at night, walk around at day, but maybe you could make a better version of this:

-In the morning people go to the well for water (not all at the same time, the ai isn't that great, it would give a lot of problems).
-Guards patrol the area, but at 12 o' clock untill 2 o' clock pm they all go to the local fortress, moth, stronghold, whatever, to have lunch and chat with eachother.
-at night thieves walk around ready to pickpocket you (just like in Silgrad, where the beggars appear to be thieves and fokking robbed me!).
-guards sometimes fall asleep at night (knocked out on the ground or something... that animation) and the guard captains inspect the guards once a day, once a night and scream at sleeping guards, or guards that don't do their job right.
-in the evening people cook (well, they just walk to their kitchen and just stand there...).
-sometimes people go for a walk in the local forests, or hills, or whatever...
-skooma smugglers sneak past the guards at night and go to the local tavern.
-maybe you could make boats really sail and move, so the docks are really busy.

I know some of this stuff is really difficult, but it might be done... maybe... I guess... I hope...

Olle

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 7:52 pm

If I'm not wrong, this will really mess up the FPS. This many scripts, running constantly and everywhere requires a lot of processing powers. It might not be possible to add out of technical problems.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 10:51 pm

Right, Koth, that's way too much script to be running in the background. I have a little one running for myself in Seyda Neen - just dresses the NPC's properly for the weather and turns lights on at night and off in the day, and I see a fair amount of slowdown at times, especially with atmospheric effects on and it's raining. We could do some, but we'd have to be selective.

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 10:58 pm

There's already Morrowind comes alive around, and lots of other stuff like this, why can't we just contact the respective modders and ask them if we could use their scripts, instead of doing a lot of work others have already done? It's not like we have too much idle time on our hands - I mean, in TR terms, it seems most of us have a lot of time to dedicate to this project (like myself

).

sterio · Post by **sterio** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 11:39 pm

They would all be cool, but sacrificing FPS isn't worth it. The only script that I feel is really needed that makes it all seem a lot more realistic is the scripts that make fewer NPCs outdoors in the night... It has always annoyed me how everybody who ever is outdoors, is always outdoors :p

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 1:01 am

Indeed. But if someone wants to make a lot of these scripts, then I suggest it's made a bolt-on, since it would feel too different from Vvardenfell otherwise.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 2:18 am

@Hermit: How lucky you are, friend, to have a great deal of free time to dedicate to TR. The only reason I've been able to do so much as of late is simply because it's Christmas break. My posting and my actual claim-work will both decline sharply when school starts again.

@sterio: I agree, it's not worth it if it bogs down systems. I think we should be satisfied with reaching the level of quality Bethesda brought us and only trying to surpass it where doing so would not have an adverse effect on gameplay.

@Kothloth: How exactly would this thing be implemented anyways? A global script of some kind, or something added to the script of every NPC affected? I've never played one of the mods in question ('cept Silgrad Tower, and not very extensively) and I have no idea how they did it. I think that would be another important part of deciding whether it should be bolt-on or not.

And, of course, anything that seems out of place in the world that seems to revolve around Vvardenfell should be automatically downgraded (?) to bolt-on. So, could we apply this to Vvardenfell as well?

Cep · Post by **Cep** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 3:51 pm

As far as I remember the original FPS is set to 240 which is far too high and in fact doesnt make any difference except ake your processor work harder. I edited mine to 80 and the game runs smoothly on that with full atmostpherics in the rain and! real time shadows.

If you do this it may be possible to run the script ideas above without taxing too much processing power.

Kothloth · Post by **Kothloth** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:18 pm

I think one will have to place each script by hand for this to work, which will be quite a job. Could be worth it though.

Btw, a bolt-on such as this would most likely be as popular as the mainfile itself, so I don't think it would be a waste of work to do this. But, a way will have to be developed to it to work with FPS

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 6:24 pm

Here's a Tutorial on this; I found it while looting EuroRPG's Morrowind stuff. I hope this will help you guys; I'm not much of a scripter, but I'd sure love to see this in TR - even as a bolt-on.

Private_Svejk · Post by **Private_Svejk** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:01 pm

Why should we be changing the way things are in the rest of Tamriel when they will stay the same in Vvardenfell? If I remember correctly, we won't be allowed to change the original game any. That means we can't make them do anything different. Therefore, the areas we do use this with will seem odd. Also, wouldn't we have to add every NPC in the game to the script, and give them all different places to go? Finnally, keep in mind that the scripts arn't working while you are outside of the cell, so if they are supposed to be going inside, and you are just entering town, they will stand outside until you enter their cell, then everyone will run for their respective homes... and that's even stranger behavior than staying outside all night.

Hermit · Post by **Hermit** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:48 pm

eberKain said somewhere he needs only one script for his scedules. And of course we'll make a bolt-on (or just use MWca or something similar) that changes these things in Vvardenfell as well. Like we will do with ASE, where we will also strongly recommend the original ASE and Wilderness sounds. It might also be possible to do the TR mod as a bolt-on, entirely. And being a bolt-on doesn't mean we will hide it somewhere; on the countrary, the way bolt-ons will be used in TR - at least as far as I understand it - will be to make TR-basic (the .esm) customizable to anyone who downloads it.

Arcadea · Post by **Arcadea** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 9:07 pm

make it a bolt on.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:53 pm

I took a look at eberKain's scheduler - an excellent piece of work. I haven't tried it in-game yet, but if it doesn't slow things down too much, I'd recommend the management consider it for inclusion. It'd make a much more realistic game.

Mindbasher · Post by **Mindbasher** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:13 am

Originally posted by Kothloth
If I'm not wrong, this will really mess up the FPS. This many scripts, running constantly and everywhere requires a lot of processing powers. It might not be possible to add out of technical problems.

OH...

That's why my fps is screwed up...

Olle

Cep · Post by **Cep** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:32 pm

Go into your morrowind.ini file and set the Max FPS to 80. It improved my game.

blindhamster · Post by **blindhamster** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:08 pm

where can i get a scheduler? I have been looking for a while and have wanted to try one out since right after i got morrowind

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:47 pm

If you have a little ability at scripting and can follow directions, give eberKain's scheduler a try. Take a village like Hla Oad and see what you can do. eberKain has a little note requesting that you let him know what town you're working on, so it looks like he's planning on making this effective throughout Morrowind. Maybe we can eventually do the same for all of Tamriel.

blindhamster · Post by **blindhamster** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:09 pm

but wheres it from?

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:42 pm

Just click on the download link in Hermit's post above.

blindhamster · Post by **blindhamster** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:43 pm

lol i feel stupid

Garret Strife · Post by **Garret Strife** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:43 am

one thing you guys should do for the guards is when your in a big industrial city with a lot of guards and if you are caught sneaking around the city a lot you should be kicked out of the city for suspicious behaviour i know its possible because the ME mod team is doing it