WSG#18: [A] The Hammerfell Arena

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:08 am

[Atmospheric]WSG#18: The Hammerfell Arena.

Everyone is quite familiar with the popularity of the Arena. This installment should provide some great creativity in the differences of Redguard's warrior culture, as opposed to Cyrodiil.
(for those without Oblivion, reference images online are readily available. [url=http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7207/oblivion20060322235948323dl.jpg]Ex.[/url])

It shouldn't be difficult of a WSG, go wherever it takes you. However, consider these thoughts before all else.

-What armour are the combatants wearing? What are they weilding? How does the Redguard champion differ from the Empire's best?

-In what way is the Arena built? What does the architecture look like?

- What of the Arena's patrons? What is the style of clothing? How many visitors have come to appreciate the sport?

This week's submissions:

Harke the Apostle
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Arthmodeus
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Macar
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Lutemoth
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Lady N
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Gnomey
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Nomadic1
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lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:06 am

I thought that there were going to be udnerground illegal fights rather than arena :S.... nevermind

This sounds awesoem.

The Old Ye Bard · Post by **The Old Ye Bard** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:23 am

The Hammerfell Arena wouldn't be that much differnt to the one in Cyrodil because a redguard established the one in Cyrodil

ENIGMA* · Post by ENIGMA* » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:34 am

so that one guy, Something the Somethin' was a Redguard?

that must be why....

Edited for possible spoiler

Rastus01 · Post by **Rastus01** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:59 am

I suggest that arena combatants do not have any assigned armor and the grand champion should be harder than the grey prince.

ENIGMA* · Post by ENIGMA* » Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:24 pm

and here I was trying to not give away spoliers

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:51 pm

Spoilers? Where?

And it's Gaiden Shinji who was a Reguard, not Agronak the Gray Prince.

Post by **Gnomey** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:05 pm

Less yapping more drawing!

I myself have an idea already, but the arena architecture is not fully formed...

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:52 pm

The Old Ye Bard wrote:The Hammerfell Arena wouldn't be that much differnt to the one in Cyrodil because a redguard established the one in Cyrodil

Shittiest. Logic. Ever.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:00 pm

I have to agree

They were asstablished at different times, and have had time to evolve since they were asstablished. The IC arena was imperialised, akaviri-ised, and changed in general. And even if it was not, cretive freedom.

I envision the arena similar to the arena in the begginging of Gladiator (NOT the coloseum). I also think that the teams should be the city teams from arena... or similar.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:20 pm

And more importantly, Redguards don't all think the same.

The Old Ye Bard · Post by **The Old Ye Bard** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:45 pm

Sload wrote:
The Old Ye Bard wrote:The Hammerfell Arena wouldn't be that much differnt to the one in Cyrodil because a redguard established the one in Cyrodil
Shittiest. Logic. Ever.

Hey it's just an opinion, you don't have to be nasty.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:58 pm

I'm not nasty. I'm Bob Ross.

The Old Ye Bard · Post by **The Old Ye Bard** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:01 pm

Your point would probably be valid if I knew who the hell he was

ENIGMA* · Post by ENIGMA* » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:10 pm

I think what TOYB is saying it that it probably has the same BASIC layout not the same exact design...

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:12 pm

I know what he said. It still is shitty reasoning.

Artists: Make it cool. Make it neat. Ignore what the Arena in Cyrodiil looks like and how they fight there and all that. Just do something awesome.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:28 pm

What always bothered me about arenas is the equality of the spectators, however this equality is quickly destroyed by taking a sharp edged figure for the arena shape like so:

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The golden 1337 rich with gold can have their own loge at the highest points.

The Arenas in spain tend to flirt with moorishness. here's one from Barcelona:

http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/amphitheater-verona-ebl153.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/nowarski3411/barcelona/barcelona-arena-20040621-q.jpg

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:19 am

The Old Ye Bard wrote:Your point would probably be valid if I knew who the hell he was

The guy in his avatar. He was a Tv painter or something

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:29 am

When they start covering Hammerfell with Morden's 'happy little trees, who live there' you wish you hadn't.

Here is a terrible example:
(you may need some therapy after this).

http://www.wallcoo.com/paint/Bob_Ross_CSG/mxxx01/bob_ross_csg001_mountain_retreat.jpg

His show was even on TRT (Turkish television), which I think is situated about as low as bad taste can go.

The Joy of Painting was so unbelievably bad, that I feel like hitting myself because I have ever watched it.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:47 am

What are you talking about? The Joy of Painting was the most awesome show EVER!

And they're making a videogame for it.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:50 am

Doom 4: The Joy of Painting

[edit] My Afro Space Supreme kicks Bob Ross's backside.[/off topic]

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:35 am

Arright, arright, save this thread for artwork. Despite how compelling Bob Ross is, he has yet to contribute a piece yet.. When he does, this topic can resume

Note: His death in 1995 may delay his contribution slightly. ~~ Sload

Additional Note: I'm well aware, but I'm not going to let that misfortune discourage the Ross from doing so. ~~ Lute

Massalinie · Post by **Massalinie** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:30 am

It would be easier if we knew what the arcitecture for everywhere else was going to look like so that we had something to base this on.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:30 am

It's all available to you Massey....just have to look. And yes, I know it says Rihad architechture but odds are it will be used across Hammerfell.

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=16903

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:42 am

What about this one?

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=15695

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:33 am

odds are it will be used across Hammerfell.

In that case, let someone teach me how to model so that I can help avoid this.

Instead of suggesting, could please, pleaaase, somebody draw?... I mean, it's the WSG... *Moan*

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:17 am

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Here. Hope it gets used. I used the Osaka Dome in Japan as a starting point and added Arab qualities. I also put a hint of Kragen architecture on the roofing.

Silverwood · Post by **Silverwood** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:53 pm

The arena would be open air, the dark isn't exactly the best fighting place...

I'll have a few fighter's and arena designs for this one...

Post by **Gnomey** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:04 pm

Sorry, I would contribute and I hope to, but as I sat down to draw, I got stuck. My concept is the same: Little or no armour in the legs, very flexible armour above and some sort of helm, the helm is my main problem, really, as so far I can only think of a roman Gladiator's helm.

I have however made one suit of armour that I might post, though it looks rather strange...

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:56 pm

The arena would be open air, the dark isn't exactly the best fighting place...

Well, I guess they need something to vent out the small of rot and decay...ok, Ill photoshop it to get rid of the roof.

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:05 am

What about having one of those round top-openings?
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Capitol_roof.jpg[/img]
This with the painting area open to the sky.

Arthmodeus · Post by **Arthmodeus** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:14 am

Yeah, there could be slits in the dome and everything. It would function while looking cool in the process.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:10 am

Abramul wrote:What about having one of those round top-openings?
This with the painting area open to the sky.

It's called an oculus.

ENIGMA* · Post by ENIGMA* » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:23 am

It would make sense as some of these arenas could be near the desert (harsh enviroment battling arena) were sandstorms can roll up and over suddenly

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:07 am

Harke the Apostle wrote:It's called an oculus.

I knew its name was related to eye!

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:11 am

Here's a photo of the Pantheon:

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[edit] two quick concepts:

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Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:21 pm

I've had a rather naughty idea!

I like the oculus and the huge dome, but creating a solid dome over the width of the arena is a rather complicated affair.

I've solved this by substituting the dome with a pneumatic structure much like an inflatable matress. The rings would be filled with heated air (hence the furnaces on the beginning), so the structure would function like a stack of inflated inner car tyres.

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These structures are also used in real life for these kind of purposes.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:45 pm

I really like the interior with an open ceiling idea, especially if it has artwork of different Redguard heros on the ceilings.

Harke the Apostle wrote:..but creating a solid dome over the width of the arena is a rather complicated affair.

Not a good reason.

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:17 am

I think he meant building, as opposed to modelling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon%2C_Rome#Structure
Current one built in CE 125 (see above the linked location).

Would it work to have this as an exterior world? Or would it be easier to make it interior, and simulate the weather?

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:04 am

Abramul wrote:I think he meant building..

Which is exactly why it is not a good reason.

Would it work to have this as an exterior world? Or would it be easier to make it interior, and simulate the weather?

It would be easier as an exterior, because that way we wouldn't have to make a fake sky. It'd be it's own worldspace, TrMapNumberSentinelArena or whatever. There would be no percipitation or fog type weather while in the Arena, as then it would go through the roof.