WSG#20[F]: Unique and common Redguard clothing

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:21 pm

WSG#20[F]: Unique and common Redguard clothing

Well, well, well! Weekly Sketch-Group number 20! Quite a time it's been since it was first incited. Now, let's get down to business, shall we?

I supposed the WSG could get a jostle of topics again, as we've still a ways of shaping some of the nooks n' crannies of the Hammerfell vision. While quite a few citizens could reuse Imperial clothing, There's still the matter of the fact of the Redguard fashion. Mind you, this is not meant to be a ground-breaking topic, so have fun as always.

- Remember that the clothing style should retain logic. What class does it belong to? Why is it worn? What region is it most useful?

- The Redguards are a proud and uninhibited people, but they are also a culture of functionality often over design. How does this reflect in their attire?

We are all familiar with the standard Arabian style often come to associate with Hammerfell, but remember that this is not a Persian culture. It's Yokudan-Redguard. It's certainly fine to borrow earthly archetypes, but in the end, a stranger should look at it and say "he's a Redguard"

This Week's Submissions

El Scumbago
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Pound
[url=http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clothingcopyym0.jpg][img]http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7845/clothingcopyym0.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Andres Indoril
[url=http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hammerfellclothing001lt5.jpg][img]http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3765/hammerfellclothing001lt5.th.jpg[/img][/url]

LadyN
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Harke the Apostle
[url=http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lcrobezn3.jpg][img]http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4396/lcrobezn3.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Gnomey
[url=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cohcot6.jpg][img]http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1650/cohcot6.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Macar
[url=http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guyscopygc7.jpg][img]http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6369/guyscopygc7.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Saithan
[url=http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=femaleredpeasantev4.jpg][img]http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4118/femaleredpeasantev4.th.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redmaidclothingur3.jpg][img]http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6624/redmaidclothingur3.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Lutemoth
[url=http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9792/yokuclothinglk9.jpg][img]http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9792/yokuclothinglk9.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:40 pm

I hope to see some good entries on this one. Hope I can think of something...

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:52 pm

Macar wrote:I hope to see some good entries on this one. Hope I can think of something...

I think most of the ordinary Redguards don't wear too much clothing, while the wisest and mosts powerful of them wear stately robes. Young noble(wo)men could perhaps wear simple Grecian style tunics and slippers. Working class people should wear a loincloth, and the women should wear a shirt and pants with short sleeves/trouser legs. Mitres for the high priesthood.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:09 am

BTW: I HATE the way that OB forces women to wear skirts- even items with names like "breaches" magicaly transform into dresses when you put them on! Grrr...

Lets not do that in our mod, m'kay?

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:17 am

Harke the Apostle wrote:Working class people should wear a loincloth...

Harke, you slay me.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:00 am

Working class people should wear a loincloth

Working class people are working. They have enough money to buy things like.. you know... pants.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:30 am

I can see where you are comming from Harke (I'm picturing pharonic Egypt), but I agree that loincloths wouldnt look right in Tamriel.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:39 am

I think that people are often less clothed than in Cyrodiil because they are liberated and what not, but that everyone has clothes. Real clothes.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:24 am

I guess pants is the only thing a lot of people will be wearing. Majra style

[img]http://www.geocities.com/tr_majra/avatar.gif[/img]

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:37 am

Here's the 1st submission for this WSG, the first one I participate in after a looong time! I've already posted this in my thread as well, so I'll probably make another.

I imagined this guy as a special kind of guard, armorless and kick-ass -something like the Blind Moth priests, but less blind and more cool. Perhaps a VIP bodyguard.

[url=http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rihadguardoutfitys8.jpg][img]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4677/rihadguardoutfitys8.th.jpg[/img][/url]

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:18 pm

I think i ahve a submission ready.

Be u-loaded tonight hopefully.

Post by **Gnomey** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:25 pm

I'll work on one as soon as I'm done my daily forum browse.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:32 pm

I've got mine done! expect it tonight.

Morgoth · Post by **Morgoth** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:51 pm

Let's just say that Lady N is exempt from this WSG.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:59 pm

HOW DARE YOU INTRUDE INTO MY TERRITORY?!?!

*sigh*

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=11355&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

[edit] exempt? i just started looking through the NY fashion week clothes! i can turn out an outfit in 10 minutes! count yourself lucky if my teachers load me up with hw

[edit2] on the topic of fashion, MC hammer pants (what i always see for HF) are acutaly fashinable rightnow. i am SO happy!

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:15 pm

Im fashionable

I ahve aladin shorts

But not on purpose. lol

anyway, I have done a design, but im wondering, ifit's more armour..... It's mainly clothe and bead based, but if MC hammer style (BIG PIECES OF BLING) is in style, then im fine

Anyway, i will post a placeholder uncoloured version, soon.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:07 pm

Lady Nerevar wrote: [edit2] on the topic of fashion, MC hammer pants (what i always see for HF) are acutaly fashinable rightnow. i am SO happy!

Sometimes being old REALLY REALLY sucks!
But I am sure the harem pants will fit beautifully.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:14 pm

[url=http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scangh5.jpg][img]http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/7096/scangh5.th.jpg[/img][/url]

color forthcoming.

Here's the fall line from Camsann Hawker. First we have a casual look. This outfit is designed to have that Cyrodillic chic but with yokudan flair. Next we have a more formal outfit- any head of state or scribe will be stylin' in this traditional Hammerfell ensemble. Finaly, for the working man- you can still look good! These afordable and lightwieght garments are perfect for a man on the job!

If they look like they are posing- I succeeded.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:46 pm

You suceeded Macar, they looks fanatstic. I am looking forward to your colour in, as always

.

I have my partly done submission. No background, but i dunno if it's required.

[url=http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clothingcopyly9.jpg][img]http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1295/clothingcopyly9.th.jpg[/img][/url]

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Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:03 am

[url=http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hammerfellclothing001lt5.jpg][img]http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3765/hammerfellclothing001lt5.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Don't ask...

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:58 am

Ahem... Sorry I even posted in this WSG, I don't have a clue about the subject after all! Great work.

Post by **Gnomey** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:06 pm

Not at all.

I completely forgot my drawings yesterday, I was busy modding away. I should have it done today, though.

Morgoth · Post by **Morgoth** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:01 pm

Really nice one Pound. Love it. Macar, can't wait for the colour-in.

xanthier · Post by **xanthier** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:29 pm

I've got some ideas, I'm gonna try and geta submission in later this week.

Morgoth · Post by **Morgoth** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:05 pm

Any idea as to which sorts of clothing we'll need for which cities and sects? It would be nice to know if there is any particular trend in the Rihad area of Hammerfell or not. But I suppose one piece of Redguard clothing is the same as the next. I'm thinking of what to try.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:21 pm

i am duing Forbear, Crown, Both, Unique, and a few Regionals (eg. mountain regions or sailors) in my real concepts.

so, here are my pieces for so far today. i decided to go with beth's shirt in the guide for insperation. center is a redrawing of it in more flat style, and the one below that the female version.left of that is another variation on the shirt (for female just add boobs and waist). next to that is a robe in teh same style.
[url=http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forbearshirtox3.jpg][img]http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2713/forbearshirtox3.th.jpg[/img][/url]

next we have a more random picture. on the left is a shirt with an appron/surcoat over it. i have no idea why i drew it, but i like the design. right is a poor forbear dress (just add pants for male outfit)
[url=http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wsg20jq1.jpg][img]http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6976/wsg20jq1.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Morgoth · Post by **Morgoth** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:27 pm

Lady N, the first concept in your second submission there is brilliant. I suggest that for males, that part that looks like a skirt would be an apron of sorts, so that from the back, from the waist down you'd see his slacks.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:30 pm

does anyone read my descriptions?

on the left is a shirt with an appron/surcoat over it

xanthier · Post by **xanthier** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:51 pm

Lady Nerevar wrote:does anyone read my descriptions?

on the left is a shirt with an appron/surcoat over it

I for one, did not until I read your above post.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:02 pm

A common robe:

[url=http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lcrobezn3.jpg][img]http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4396/lcrobezn3.th.jpg[/img][/url]

@ Pound:

In a minute that guy is going to slip into the water, and Grace Jones will be VERY angry she lent him her new clothes.

@ Andres Indoril:

Prince Adam, Masters of the Universe (TM)?

Post by **Gnomey** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:02 pm

My humble offering:

[url=http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cohcot6.jpg][img]http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1650/cohcot6.th.jpg[/img][/url]

When I say tribute to concept artists, by the way, I am in fact only referring to one, who's name I forgot, but as it was done in an impersonation of his style I'm sure you'll know who he is, or my drawings are lousier than I think. Well, it should be fairly straight forward, so I think that's all. By the way, I disagree with the idea that most people would be lacking a shirt, and especially not only in loincloths! (I don't want to imagine what would happen if an OB BB would be released). Maybe some builders might take off their shirt at working ours, and the poorest of the poor might only afford tattered breaches, but any more and my pickiness will be unsatisfied.

Edit: Spelling, grammar and a formatting error. If only I could write, I might make it in the Literature Forums...

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:21 pm

@ harke: You take "red"guard too literaly!

@gnomey: Looks good. Although, button down shirts are kind of modern.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:41 pm

jesus, N.

well, i suppose i wasnt expecting a laod of rubbish for you, but i think that robe on hte first page is just coolness. And as for teh Surcoat kinda thing, or whatever, if you look at the gurads of Cyrodiil, it's similar, but it has a tinge of HF to it. I really think this should be guard armour. I know im no lore person, but it seems so perfect for it.

Harke, who's Grace?

Gnomey great to see you submitting, and we all know teh guy, those are quite unique and different pieces of clothing, nice job.

Andres, it's bloody red. No it's bloody red. But ofcourse a very useful piece of functional art. great submission

This has been quite a good WSG so far.

Post by **Gnomey** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:43 pm

(In reply to Macar, and this sounds sort of defensive, so don't take it in that light, I actually totally agree.

)I know, but I the idea came from the Redguard comics, though it looks like Hitchcockian (How do you spell that name?) buisness attire. Suits like these were, I believe, actually already made as early as the 17th century, so as long as you make it look simple and loose enough, and put the occasional ornate vest on, I'm sure it can be pulled off. (Actually, the suit with vest will have to be it's own version...). Oh yes, the cloth itself also won't look as though it were made of modern nor even high quality material and I think that the silver plated buttons lend to the modern feel. The only reason that they're there is because more fitting, bronze buttons would make it look too much like a transition between rusty brass for the poor and shiney gold for the rich.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:54 pm

lb003g0676 wrote:
Harke, who's Grace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Jones

I AM getting too old!

@ Macar: I think facegen allows anything up to tomato red for Redguards.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:57 pm

Facegen allows any color for any race... I've seen white redguards and black nords!

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:19 am

Harke the Apostle wrote:Prince Adam, Masters of the Universe (TM)?

Huh? I randomly drawed something, scanned it and tried to color it. I still have no clue who the hell is the Prince Adam person you talk about...

Pound wrote:Andres, it's bloody red.

Practically the same explanation as above

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:47 am

Andres Indoril wrote:I still have no clue who the hell is the Prince Adam person you talk about...

[img]http://www.thecafewha.com/princeadam.jpg[/img]
I have the poweeerrrrrrr!

anyways, very inspiring work, guys. Expect a thing or two from myself sometime tomorrow

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:52 am

Those pants are pink and the boots are purple! Spare me!

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:48 am

Andres Indoril wrote:Those pants are pink and the boots are purple! Spare me!

The pants are more like violet. I have this particular character at home. I've lost the burgundy jerkin,
and I don't seem to recall the belt.

Andres Indoril wrote:Spare me!

You ain't seen nothin' yet! The battle dress is where it gets really kinky. Just think for three seconds about someone in our world wearing a piece of 'body armour' like that. Add a leather cap if you don't quite get it straight away.