Spells, I wonder...

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:29 pm

Latley i've been working on some new and funky spells (nothing to EXTREME like the crazy disco stuff thast avalibe or anything) but just nice simple things like spawing traps under the target and summonig all three atronachs at increased size to run rampage for around 30 seconds. last night i worked on a spiderling spell to summon 30 spiderlings on target (lags pc to shit *dnt try it at home kids*) and its so damn beautifulbut the animation is horrible.
anyway, im opening this thread to discuss options on possible wasy to get custom animation and spell effects/groups intot eh game, because as hard as ive tried, it all seems a lost cause. at least for now.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:19 pm

I have no idea how it works. Should spell animations ever become feasible I have a spell effect idea; a throwable beehive with a swarm of bees.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:21 pm

thats a cool idea man, i can probably do most of the modelling for that but, to the best of my knowledge, there is NO way to make custom animations work with oblivion. and i've no idea why. it was possible with morrowind but there is no animation importer as of yet.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:23 pm

Harke the Apostle wrote:I have no idea how it works. Should spell animations ever become feasible I have a spell effect idea; a throwable beehive with a swarm of bees.

Veto.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:27 pm

...casts summon Winnie The Pooh 30 seconds on self...

As you see Angelus6, I have very little to say about these things.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:24 am

wow, winnie the pooh summon. now thats a damn good idea.

but what model to use for the retexture.....?

Sniper4 · Post by **Sniper4** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:27 am

angelus6 wrote:wow, winnie the pooh summon. now thats a damn good idea.

but what model to use for the retexture.....?

um... a bear?

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:33 am

good idea.. but winne the pooh can't walk on all fours. it'd have to be a new race and just make snap-on modifiers to fit i think.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:50 am

Ogrim. Winnies a fat bastard.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:51 am

hah, that'd be perfect actually, just deform the mesh a bit and it'd be perfect. good idea buddy

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:11 am

why is it imagining a taut red t-shirt on an ogrim made me choke in a fit of laughter?

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:29 am

i honestly don't know. i mean, c'mon, would YOU want to meet a
ogrim in a tight red t-shirt with a honey pot and yellow fur in a dark cave? ... scares me to death

CleverClothe · Post by **CleverClothe** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:49 am

The modding community has already solved the animation issue.

I saw a video from a guy that got motion capture animation into Oblivion.

[Edit: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOLdkaoKTx0]link[/url]]

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:12 am

I remember I saw the same technic in Thelys' site, where a guy released several new dnce animations as modder's resource -for Morrowind. Perhaps it's still over there ( www.thelys.org ). He said he had used motion capture. Making a wild guess, I think these animations are used by the Arena & The Rusty Swordsman mod, which is also for Morrowind. It's certainly worth a download.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:03 am

CleverClothe wrote:The modding community has already solved the animation issue.

As long as what you do is either make a new idle or replace an existing animation entirely, the issue is solved.

Oh? You meant making a new combat or spellcasting animation? Well, too bad. You can't. You can use, say, the destruction animation for a beehive-tossing spell, but then you'll toss a beehive when casting a fireball. You can use the Blunt weapon animation to make a spearfighting animation, but then you'll handle a warhammer like if it was a spear...

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:09 pm

mm, so basicically, its nigh on impossible to make new fighting/weapon animations at the moment. Custom idle animation wise, i've been getting some help from CuteUnit on idle animations but we'lll just have to wait and see i think.

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:32 pm

Aren't the animations contained in the skeleton .nif? If so, you could probably make a variant and use it to give some characters different animations.

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:53 pm

Abramul wrote:Aren't the animations contained in the skeleton .nif? If so, you could probably make a variant and use it to give some characters different animations.

No, I believe all animations are stored in separate .kf files.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:19 pm

yeh, all animations ARE stored in .kf files, max doesn't like it at all and its to difficult (for me) to make nifskope pick the kf files properly and then set anything in the CS

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:35 pm

Hmm, some of the .KFs, for instance BlockAttack, contain multiple actions. Is it possible to tell an actor to start at one of the intermediate actions, and stop at another? If so, it would be possible (although kludgey) to stack whatever animations are needed onto one of the defaults. Could cause problems if the original version was needed, but I'm sure there's at least one that isn't actually used...

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:43 pm

yeh, there's quite a few that aren't used either at all or more than once, you can even manipulate the origonal idle anim's (ie. the kneeling down one) cuz it's only used once for about 4 seconds in game

CleverClothe · Post by **CleverClothe** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:44 am

Ah, didn't know they hadn't solved all of the issues yet.

Gesshoku · Post by **Gesshoku** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:50 am

I could make sound effects for the "casting" action,and a little more unique than the TES FX.
Depending on how much you want to change things around

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:57 am

This type of animation file (.kf) was the one used for Unreal Tournament 2003 & 2004, if I remember correctly, and many modders had added new animations. Actually, they added them in player and vehicle models they made on their own, but I don't see why one couldn't customize the package of an existing skeleton.

P.S. If anyone played Oblivion with Fransesco's third party armor and weps, he must have observed that the exising fighting animations work excellent with the halberds and staves that are added. Only spears would look bad.

Abramul · Post by **Abramul** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:13 pm

The casting animation for staffs looks like it would work for a spear.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:20 pm

It is not our job to add new types of weapons, nor do we touch the original animation files.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:26 am

Abramul wrote:The casting animation for staffs looks like it would work for a spear.

I've seen that a lot, but I've never seen any proof that it could actually be used for an attack animation...

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:59 pm

it doesn't work to well, kinda messes up as the range of a staff is set to ranged spells. so, the animaion looks fine but really doesn;t work for anyting other than rolling demo's as u cnt do damage with a lance as a staff unless you set a staff enchantment onto it to cast magic.. but then uve just got a staff that looks like a lance.

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