WoW addictity

horodnicdragos · Post by **horodnicdragos** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:47 am

I've been browsing You Tube and I found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8hfK3RQs2g&eurl=

Can you imagine a thirteen years old chinese boy killed himself because he wasn't accepted in a damn aliance? I mean hell it's just a game. Hope Elder Scrolls will never be online. Do you agree with selling this game? It's like selling drugs.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:04 am

First of all I see nothing to be addicted in in ANY MMORPG. Quite the contrary, it's always boring and repulsive experience.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:51 pm

the thing with MMORPG's is that some people take them to far, and treat them like a full time job. it's pretty disgracefull really. I have no objection to WoW being sold but the problem lies with the users not with the game itself. IF certain people take the game to seriously then it's these people that should be stopped from playing rather than the game being revised. (just think how much effort it takes to get to level 60 in Wow)

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:14 pm

There's not reason to ban the game. People with adictive personalities will always find something to latch onto. Better wow than Heroine or even something violent.

The_Warder · Post by **The_Warder** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:34 pm

um this was something violent

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:56 pm

i think Macar meant something more violent like, gang's with guns or robbing mini-marts

horodnicdragos · Post by **horodnicdragos** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:27 pm

I understand you points. But it depends how the game is threat. Some people get inside this huge virtual world and they foget about real life. They easily change to another lifestyle. And so on they begin to believe that real world is in that game. Huh. You should check the parodies out there.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:30 pm

I'd be all for gangs and shootouts, because the result is the same, but the person involved at least lives. I'm honestly telling you that in my country Lineage 2 is the worst of plagues. The worst. So many kids literally lose their lives in front of screens, spend all of their cash in net cafes, and what's even worse, this game helps them nowhere.

I mean, Adventure games help IQ, Racing help reflexes, Action bring ppl together if they play in LAN, but MMO's? A totally repetitive hack n'slash nonsense where you kill to level up and level up to kill. If this isn't sick, I don't know what is. This industry creates shallow people, and that's everything but what the world needs.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:24 pm

MMO's are mostly about socialising. There are always going to be people who dont have lives- at least they can feel like someone important online.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:01 pm

My South African friend is JUST like the guy in that video, except he looks different, but he can get so aggressive, and just pointlessly angry. And he's hooked on EQ2, which whenever i go to see him nowadays, he's just constantly playing. It's terrible. He used to be quite normal, but he has no social life now.

And to tell the truth, I am not a geek, and I couldn't live on an Internet social life, although it's very convenient. I think I have been very lucky, because i was popular before i discovered computers, and now I can be a geek and still be respected, but I always like to introduce myself, along with the computer side first, cus I feel really guilty about it to be honest. But when I look at him, I just see how much I am not a geek, I use the computer so much more sensibly, and not in excess like him. It's actually probably he only reason I am sympathetic with his kinda position at all.

I will admit I have my occasional bout of nocturnality, ever other weekend, but it's always balanced out with sleep and seeing 'real' people.

EDIT: My friend also does that click his back thign the boy in teh video did. Scary.

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:41 pm

What irks me is the absolutely trivial webcam-blog responses to this. Is it just me, or do all kids and teenagers who curse just sound annoying as hell? "Ohhh, you retarded shithead scientists are just throwing out weird shit to rain on my parade!". Way to represent the gaming community, kids. It's just embarrassing

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:35 am

mm, it's the whole computer community in general that 'that' demeans.
I spend around 14 hours a day on a pc, swear at it when it goes wrong, talk to people online, stay up untill 4am most nights and even play games in my free time. so, how does this make me differant to that WoW 'addict'?
it all lies with the personality of the person, most people here (this forum) probably do much the same thing that i do.
I still manage to maintain a normal, healthy life with a relationship, friends, a job and even going outside.

There would be a simple solution to this child's 'addction'. REHAB... cut him off from WoW and let him experiance what is considered a normal life, because, clearly his behaviour is unacceptable and out of control.

Coincidentally,I like your new Avatar Lute

CleverClothe · Post by **CleverClothe** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:20 am

If you lived in China, you would want to play WoW all day too!

But really, this is far less of an issue than drug use, gang violence, or bigotry.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:33 pm

If ONLY we lived in a society where the big problem was WoW addiction and not drug addiction.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:03 pm

Thanks for making me remember why I didn't buy WoW.

Dropping out of school because of WoW at age sixteen certainly is serious.
Still, he's not using crystal meth...
Why can't mom just sell the PC?

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:29 pm

Dexter wrote:If ONLY we lived in a society where the big problem was WoW addiction and not drug addiction.

I don't see a difference really.

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:43 pm

prediction wrote:2014 heralds the UN's initiative, after WoW:3's impact, on what would be internationally called "the War on Warcraft"

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:46 pm

But again, I personally have no objections for lowering the population of morons on this damn rock.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:49 pm

Lutemoth wrote:
prediction wrote:2014 heralds the UN's initiative, after WoW:3's impact, on what would be internationally called "the War on Warcraft"

what a war that would be...

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:25 pm

Lutemoth wrote:What irks me is the absolutely trivial webcam-blog responses to this. Is it just me, or do all kids and teenagers who curse just sound annoying as hell? "Ohhh, you retarded shithead scientists are just throwing out weird shit to rain on my parade!". Way to represent the gaming community, kids. It's just embarrassing

I completely agree.

And the fact that most people have that opinion here, just shows what a well rounded community we are here at TR.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:31 pm

This is not a case of a severe, uncurable, society-threatening addiction.
That mom in the video? The one that is whining and complaining about how her son has turned into a potato? She is ALLOWING him to be like that. It's her damn fault he's a loser. If she wants him to stop playing the game, why doesn't she actually do something about it?
Hey, here's a novel idea, let's examine the situation. WoW requires four basic things to play.
The first is obviously a PC. A 16 year old kid doesn't buy his own PC. Unplug the damn thing, lock the case away, take away his mouse and keyboard, whatever.
The second is the game itself. I can't blame her too much here. She couldn't have known he would get addicted.
The third is Internet access. Quick fix: discontinue service.
The fourth is the monthly subscription. This kid has no job. If he plays WoW for 16 hours a day, he can't possibly have a paying job. Therefore, she pays for his WoW subscription. If she STOPS paying for his account, how would he continue to play? He might actually have to go get a job! Then he wouldn't have so much time to play, and he would learn to not be a lazy little shit.
My name is Dexter. I use logic to fix stupid problems.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:41 pm

WoW addiction is the kind of addiction that discontinues after you lose your money, a bit like cocaine. We have yet to see the first street prostitute WoW addicts. Also WoW doesn't give you STDs, you don't loose your teeth, or get organ damage. It might be hell on your brain...

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:54 pm

Harke the Apostle wrote:Thanks for making me remember why I didn't buy WoW.

Dropping out of school because of WoW at age sixteen certainly is serious.
Still, he's not using crystal meth...
Why can't mom just sell the PC?

So you didn't buy WoW because you realize you have absolutely no willpower, and that by purchasing it you would drop out of school, gain 700 pounds and talk in a monotone voice about stacking Sunder Armor? :3 That's actually responsible, I just made it sound more obtuse.

Yes, there is a highly addictive nature to online games, that you kind of have to experience to understand. To the outsider, an online MMO is "hey, he's killing the same creature 7,000 times so he can get to the next level and get better gear, then he'll kill the next level creature 7,000 times to do it all over again." But there is infinitely more depth to it than that. The social aspect is widely scorned, rarely understood ("lol no life, parents basement, no girlfriend, online gaming 24/7" .. but I suppose this post isn't about me, it's about World of Warcraft,) but there is much more to it than just lack of a social life.

There are many things you will find in WoW/other MMORPGs that you can not find in any other single player game. Imagine playing Counterstrike entirely against other bots, in comparison to the Counterstrike played online against other opponents. The difference is night and day. It is moreso for online games. And somehow, what on paper should be a ridiculously repetitive grindfest becomes an exquisitely packaged experience, combining e-social lives (to the point of creating a whole new sub-culture) with an incredibly in-depth amount of teamwork and cooperation that you can't find in any other style of game.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:01 pm

anyone rember the time i didnt log on too TR for like a week? well, i was a bit too obsesed with GW. and GW is a whole lot shorter and more shalow then WoW.

there are 2 reasons that i am not buying WoW:
1) i dont want to spend my presious alowence on a game
2) i know that it would suck my life away

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:08 pm

I simply can't convince my parents that a game that you need to pay a subsciption for is worth it.

That and the fact that I have lost friends because of WoW.

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:04 am

Dexter wrote: My name is Dexter. I use logic to fix stupid problems.

Another case in which the prevailing logic is the Boss

This also just reminds me of exactly how people run around these situations with either feathers or gattling guns: a lot of people using extremes to solve extremes, a lot of people fencing on easily corrected damages, and an ignored sense of logic. What are the outsiders going to hear first and last?

CleverClothe · Post by **CleverClothe** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:48 am

Tyrion wrote: what a war that would be...

/bubble
/hearth
/win

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:35 am

Parents are too willing to shift the blame onto a third party when their kids get fucked up, isn't it time they realised "Hey, we raised this little shit, so maybe we should take some responsibility for the fact that...<insert personality disorder/etc>?". It sickens me to see that aoparently the task of raising children now falls to video games.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:26 am

exactally, nobody wants to be told that they are a 'bad' parent, but in this case, that woman is in control of her son's life at the moment, not that game. she could put a stop to it, sure, he'd throw the mother of all tantrums, but at the end of the day, that seems more important than giving her son a future.

it's such a pity there's noway she'll ever read this thread...

Eyeball88 · Post by **Eyeball88** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:45 pm

Graff wrote:Parents are too willing to shift the blame onto a third party when their kids get fucked up, isn't it time they realised "Hey, we raised this little shit, so maybe we should take some responsibility for the fact that...<insert personality disorder/etc>?". It sickens me to see that aoparently the task of raising children now falls to video games.

I've often felt this exact way.

Columbine Shooting:

There were reports from the neighbours that late into the night (early into the morning) there were sounds of shattering glass and small, muffled explosions coming from the garage of one of the soon-to-be shooters. Immediately after the actual shooting, the blame game went:

Marilyn Manson and his Devil Music.
The "Doom" video game.
NRA and lax gun laws.

At no point did anyone think to blame the children. Instead, calls were made to ban Manson from the state, heavily regulate video games, etc. Those calls are still being made. If a politician said "I think this is a result of bad parenting" then his/her career would be over. So the core cause of a huge number of crimes and other unfortunate events is ignored, and scapegoats are found. I'm sure some people even said it about The Sims, though I remember hearing that the Sims Online could be used for sexual predators to prey on minors.

Stalker · Post by **Stalker** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:58 am

I am still wondering why I haven't slaughtered a few hundred people. I have the means (hey, don't you also have a kitchen knife at home ?), the reason (lemme recall...ah yeah, in Hitman he was using a kitchen knife) so I'm a perfect filler from politician side of view. It'se not even about parents here. If you are born a moron - no parent will ever help you.

Theo · Post by **Theo** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:43 am

There is an another aspect of those neverending "brutal videogames ruin our childern" articles and discussions. It is because general public is quite ignorant about computer games and what are they really about.
Everyone knows smoking and drinking excesively is a shit, as big numbers of people have experience with smoking or getting pissed, so nobody wants to be reminded of that. But computer games? Playing computer games is mainly restricted to certain groups of young middle-class man from developed countries and for others it is usually terra incognita. They would usually not recognize a difference between RPG, strategy, FPS, adventure or simulators.
And what are normal human (and animal) reaction to some alien encounter? They are usually of two kinds:
1) Is it dangerous for me?
2) Can it help me to procreate?
It was visible when internet was first introduced in my country. Absolute majority of TV spots about meaning of internet was about computer criminality, terrorists finding a guide to bomb creation there or freaks browsing p0rn sites.

Rastus01 · Post by **Rastus01** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:40 am

Stalker wrote:

First of all I see nothing to be addicted in in ANY MMORPG. Quite the contrary, it's always boring and repulsive experience.

I agree with Stalker the only MMORPG I play is warhammer 40,000: Dawn of war and thats because I play the tabletop game.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:49 am

The bright side is that all of this belongs to the generations of '60-'70. The new generation (that's us) more or less know about video games, which gives us the means to educate our kids (when we'll have) correctly about this subject. And I really don't think that the future journalists will keep talking about the evil nature of video games when the audience is a generation that literally grew up with them.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:13 pm

Rastus01 wrote: I agree with Stalker the only MMORPG I play is warhammer 40,000: Dawn of war and thats because I play the tabletop game.

umm... DoW is niether mmo nor is it an rpg.

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:14 pm

RTS isn't it?

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:52 pm

well, its sorta an RPG i would say, but mostly RTS

Rastus01 · Post by **Rastus01** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:19 pm

angelus6 · Post by **angelus6** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:21 pm

lol, this thread started really serious and has just deteriated into

Rastus01

"meh"

this is all i have to say on MMORPG's
[img]http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/9062/afkak0.jpg[/img]

Graff · Post by **Graff** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:42 am

Rastus01 wrote:meh.

That's a winning rebuttal if I ever saw one.