Middle class base 6 [Working]

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:57 am

I started working on this,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/PoHaEiFor/ConceptArt/Model%20Concepts/GoldmoorMC6.jpg

but I really don't understand the concept fully. It looks like shown in the attachment, but I think that this is not how the actual concept looks like. The screenshot also shows the number of polygons at the moment. Although I've read the thread about polycounts, I'm not sure if I'm going in a good direction with this since it's already past 10k and just the basic shape is there with no detailing to speak of (plus, the other side of the mesh is still mostly empty).

Advice?

ps. I'm not really claiming this because I may not have time to finish it. I will claim it (in addition to some other pieces) if I have enough time to work on it.

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:54 pm

No replies? Blah! I just want to know if it's going in the right direction or not.

Anyway, this is what I've got now. It still has 10k triangles after optimizing some parts of the model. Is it anywhere close to how you want the models to be?

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:55 pm

It looks damned good zeph, and just like the concept too. Keep up the great work!

Orix · Post by **Orix** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:03 pm

Looks like a good start. I dont know about any one else, but I imagined the details to be more pronounced, the arches, windows and so forth to have more of an indent and depth to them, just so the building doesn't look as block-like, and to have more character to 'em. Just an idea...

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:06 pm

I think it's mother effing perfect.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:49 pm

i think you can spare a few more polies, but otherwise its damn good

didnt know you were a modeler zeph

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:12 pm

It looks nice, and textures will bring a lot of the finer details. If more then one person is going to model the set, it'll have to be closely coordinated, because you'll end up with ledges, arches, windows, ect that are all different sizes.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:48 pm

You might want to expand it on the right or left side by 1 or 2 squares, so that it isn't 3x3. Then you could do a thing where the dome part is open on both floors and has a stairway going up the edge, and the area on the side has a bedroom on the second floor.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:33 pm

Noirgrim wrote:I think it's mother effing perfect.

I concur. Great job, and I think that you captured the art perfectly- I didnt realise the protruding parts were balconies.

The_Warder · Post by **The_Warder** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:47 pm

very nice job man. it looks awesome!

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:07 am

The texture work is going pretty well I think. I've used textures found on the thread in this forum as well as some from Mayang and put them together in Photoshop. UVW unwrapping is not yet finished. God, it's boring work and so frustrating. Windows & doors are yet to be made in that area, I think I can do them tomorrow.

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:15 am

You did that in 2 hours? Looks great so far, keep it up!

Orix · Post by **Orix** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:13 am

Lady Nerevar wrote:i think you can spare a few more polies

I have to agree with LN, the dome and curved bits look a bit too jaggy.

I also think it's still a bit bland, even with textures applied.

It looks like a block with bits added on, when I saw [url=http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goldmoormc4fullam5.jpg]this concept[/url] by Scumbago, I definately envisioned architecture that's a little bit more distinctive.

*shrug*

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:18 am

Well, the lattice on the balocony would be a nice touch. And it will look a lot less plain with nice windows and doors on it.

I think this represents one of the more plain buildings. I agree that the dome could have more pollies- Oblivion meshes are astronimical anyway, so go ahead.

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:33 am

I think it's marvelous, Zeph

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:54 am

All the rooves in OB are low poly. This is probably because you never actually see the roof of most if not all buildings up close. The dome will probably work.

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:52 am

Morden wrote:It looks nice, and textures will bring a lot of the finer details. If more then one person is going to model the set, it'll have to be closely coordinated, because you'll end up with ledges, arches, windows, ect that are all different sizes.

I am in strong agreeance (is that even a word?) with this, if you want to just upload the arches columns and windows after that would be great as then other modelers could use them to help fill out the set!

ps. it looks astoundingly great

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:15 pm

Zephyr, I bow, but you made a small mistake. There are no open spaces in the second floor, that's the reason I colored the concepts. Also, the back side was meant to be much more simplistic, which is the reason I made a back view and included it in the Reference Pic. Finally, the curvings you made at the back are exclusively for the LC buildings. The model is astonishing as it is, but -and this is for all modellers- pay more attention to the concepts, always check the Reference Pic and the Readme, or ask the maker for info.

Now, you may want to take a look at the FCG, lots of new stuff which I hope will help. *Bows once again before Zeph's model*

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:48 pm

The texture is a little bit dark, I think, but its great. My only other concern is that maybe a little more variety could be added to it.

Also, can a stairwell fit inside one of the flanking parts? I think that would be the most logical use for them.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:54 pm

I've already formed the interiors in my mind. Considering Anvil, there should be plenty of space for everything in these buildings.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:09 pm

scumy, i think i like it more with the balconies. kinda breaks off the squareness and makes it more interesting

fanfas · Post by **fanfas** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:44 pm

Agree with LN, and being this middle class the balconies can be used to put some nice plants, and other fancy details.

Zephyr · Post by **Zephyr** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:13 pm

Still not finished, just spent most of my time today uvw unwrapping and texturing. I don't think that the window textures are very good, but I suppose they're going to use some reflection maps anyway? In either case, it was more important that I finally finished the uv unwrapping for the current model.

I also smoothed the dome, it definitely looks better now. I made a door as well, which took seriously long time. It's a door, it should be really simple to make!

I agree that it still looks a bit blocky, so I'll probably try to build a shelter piece or something to it. But this will happen sometime next week, I don't think I have a lot of time during the weekend.

I will try to upload the meshes for Fairwater (and possibly other people) tomorrow if I have time.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:19 pm

I would love to see this ingame

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:59 pm

It's coming along very nice, so here are my personal suggestions:

1. There are two more frames all around the building, one is below the thick frame that divides the two floors and one is above it. Note that Bethesda's meshes are anything but complicated. All they have is many many frames.
2. Put bars to the open area/balcony. Whether you use the concept's ones or not, check a building concept with a balcony to see the general style.
3. Add detail in the back as you see it in the Reference Pic (I'm not asking you to remove the windows).
4. About the textures, the bricks need to be way smaller (but since that's just an opinion, keep a copy of the current texture). I love the old look, the worn out walls and columns, it's excellent.
5. Any chance of adding some patterns like you did to the dome? I have some spots in mind, but can't upload anything atm.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:25 pm

If you do add more patterns, would you consider using this style?

http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled1wq2.jpg

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:58 pm

I think its coming along nicely.

About the textures, nothing has been finalized about which textures will be used. I do think, however, that the look that you have going here is really really nice, though. But please, just to be certain you know, these textures should be considered experimental (but I must reiterate, that I like the direction of the experimentation).

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:26 pm

Indeed, I believe the textures are on the right direction. Actually Macar, I wouldn't want these for Rihad as much as for Taneth. In my mind, Rihad is curvy and smooth in its shape as the body of an oriental dancer. Taneth on the other hand is strong and square, like the faith of a Ra'Gada warrior. I don't know what triggers those connections in me, but it has to do with the names and placement of the cities I think. And the daisy I smoked earlier, perhaps