Middle Class Base 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06 [Working]

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:03 am

ok i am going to take all the bases left if that is alright....i just want to make sure the refrence is good before i get this all done!
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Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:04 pm

Ok well i am almost done them, i just found that they were a little high poly in places so i am nocking off a bunch of polys, the highest poly one after everything is on it is around 13000, which is alittle high admittedly but it is the most complex building.......how does everyone else feel....most of the others are around 8000 polys with one at like 5000

But Please note that this is not exactly "poly counts" that i am reporting but Strips. Which is almost what "turning quads into poly's" is equiventlt to. You see when you turn polys into "strips" it nearly doubles your poly counts so actually most of my models are around 1500-5000 polys.

anyways after i am done getting them down to size i will send them to morke who can hopefully optimize them alittle more!

Edit: it seems tough to keep up with oblivions low polys when there is so much "rounding to do"

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:42 pm

It sounds like you're keeping within the bounds pretty well. Once PoHa! is back from spring break, he'll let you know how you're doing.. officially.

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:46 pm

Thanks i hope so too, i guess i just have some dumb poly attotments, like 1000 polys on the door,

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:22 am

ok well i have about 12 variations on the 6 bases........i can make more just by moving the door frames and windows but it might just come to over load.....here i will post some pictures. I basicly just need to make some variations with domes which should seriously take mintutes then i don't know what is left to be done on them but uv's and textures.... i really need help on variations!

morke · Post by **morke** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:50 am

man these are awesome!!!
i did notice that all the windows have sharp creases (or breaks?) when you look at them from an angle. it took me a while to figure out how to fix that, but im working on making the smoothing look better.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:57 am

I'm just going to say you rock. And your models rock. Rock on.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:04 pm

i think thats enough. we dont realy need that many MC's anyways, these will just about cover it all i'd think.

imho move on to the UV-ing. so that others can get to texturing. if making variations realy is that simple more can be made later should we need them

and once again, you rock

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:21 pm

There are still some things to do before moving on to texturing and stuff, but if someone would like to experiment with textures, it'd be great.

Still to do:
Final improvements (with the aid of modulars) on these buildings.
Creation of some more modulars.
Creation of a decent warehouse and lighthouse.
Creation of MC interiors.
Creation of fortifications (walls, gates and towers).
Creation of UC buildings (approx. 3 are enough, right?).
Creation of castle/palace.

I wrote the list in the order these things are going to be made, and having in mind Noirgrim's list of needed stuff. If there's something you'd like to add/suggest, go ahead. Asap please.

morke · Post by **morke** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:27 pm

first off i'll volunteer for texturing. i can uv map architecture really well, and i have a very expansive texture file. (lol im just not good at little tings like flutes XD )

mainly: (to Fairwater) I finished all but one of the houses (ill do the last today once i make coffe

ive lowerd the polycounts by 300 to 1100 and i fixed alot of creases and breaks.

i'll upload the .3ds files here in a few....

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:37 pm

we alredy have a bunch of texes for these buildings (youve seen them). also, i'd think that some kind of official decision needs to be made on what textures are going to be used. i have no objections to you UVing and trying to texture, but just know that the textures you make most likly will end up changing some. this is not official realy, wait for poha and noir to say something.

id say more like 6 UC buildings, since both rihad and taneth have extensive need of them.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:45 pm

Morke, by all means do try. While nothing's official, it's good to experiment a bit and see what fits and what doesn't. I'll be looking forward to watching your work

Oh, and although I didn't ask Fairwater for his permission (a thousand apologies man), I couldn't resist the temptation to post some of the progress. Buildings+modulars=some damn good job!

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morke · Post by **morke** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:18 pm

i figured you want to see me in action first hahaha
id be more than happy to give examples.

i'll texture mc1 with different styles and we'll see which texture works where. then you guys can figure out (if any are good) what needs to be changed or replaced.

i do have some ideas floating around on how to include the goldmoor colors by adding trim decals... but im ot sure how good i am XD ill run it by you guys if it works.

EDIT: hahah forgot the buildings i tweaked.
EDIT: nvm

morke · Post by **morke** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:38 pm

oh yes,

Fairwater... I forgot to mention that you F*ing rock at architecture.

Nanu · Post by **Nanu** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:15 pm

In private boards, feel free to drop as many f-bombs as you'd like (in that context anyway, unless you're Noir

). We don't really care, mate.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:25 pm

Scumbago, domes are not modulars, so you know, because they change the interior.

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:01 am

Thanks so much everyone!
Morke thanks so much for looking after this. i am having the weirdest phenomenon, while your models come up as significantly less polies in 3dsmax when i import them to .nif scope and check how many polys they are there, the numbers seem to be 20% larger than my unmodified files. I dont know what it is......if you could let know what you did to the models i might be able to figure it out! thanks

Sload.....yea i know i have actually made separate models and files for each base that has a dome on it....so they are not modular but we still have the full range of options.

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:37 am

Why the fuck can't I drop eff-bombs?

Fairwater: Just make sure those doors are not in the final mesh (if I see that correctly, and those are actually doors), but leave the door-jams. AWESOME! MESHES!

morke · Post by **morke** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:47 am

did you realize that i put both the origional model AND the edited one in each .3ds?

what i did is simply take out facets that no player will ever see, and re-model all of the walls that had windows. i cut each arch by 10 polys and each pillared-arch by about a hundred. (just by using editable poly tools instead of mesh tools)

the 4 things i use to make 99% of my models are a box, plane, clinder, and occasionaly a sphere. RARELY (or in a special mesh) i will use rails or windows or (commonly on weapon handles) a spring. i dont ever need to mesh from splines because i can use sweeping tools much faster, and splines have to be way to freikin perfect to work.

these buildings are REALLY good though. there were problems caused when you exported the objects simply because of the way editable "meshes" work other tan that i just tried to glean your ideas and re-create them with more welds!

oh, and on the upper level arches, (the ones with pillars) i took out SO many polys that i put a chamfer on the inside and still came up 100 short. that's the only thing i changed in your models. well, i did ad a rail on mc6 or mc6v2 (cant remember) because all that was there was a single surface.

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:48 am

Ah yes....thanks for the heads up noir! As for scummy thanks for posting that pictures, some times i feel redundant post new pictures and worry that it just looks like shameless self promotion!

morke · Post by **morke** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:49 am

NOIRGRIM .. THAT MEANS LESS POLYS YAY!!!!!!!!!

hahah and if windows are being made seperately thats like 2-3k less for the whole set.

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:55 am

@Fairwater: sometimes I post screenies more than once just to make sure people see them and to promote important areas of the mod... so, no worries

@Morke: no, windows stay

morke · Post by **morke** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:58 am

awwww. ok. scince this is about FW's models: CAN ANYBODY MAKE GOOOOOD BUMPMAPS??? arghh photoshop hates me.

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:59 am

Ok morke i just tested all the models and they all seem to be higher than the originals in .nif scope. See what happens is that when you import a file into .nif format, all of the triangle become changed over into strips which are easier for the engine to process. When you convert triangle to strips it is not a 1:1 conversion but depending on the way you construct your models it can create more strips (sometimes i have seen it being around 1:3 ratio). I Guess there is something in your reworking that when converted into strips creates more than necessary, now i will do some investigation and just replace that aspect with the original, so dont worry your work was not in all in vain!

morke · Post by **morke** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:01 am

oh shit. nobody download my previous post XD i forgot to use the commnd: export SELECTED!!!!!

ahhahahahahaaha

no wonder they are freikin huge.

morke · Post by **morke** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:06 am

i be a L33Tn00b!!!!

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:09 am

Gwah..... ahaha dont worry i deleted the others when i exported them to nifs.... but anyways with the file the same thing is still happening. Dont sweat it, i get this all sorted out!

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:56 pm

Sload: Do you think I'd come so far and ignore that domes aren't modulars? But I call them that (and doors too), because they are modulars in a way (from the modeller's perspective, since he can have them as individual objects and apply them wherever he likes).
Is this a Fairwater-Morke cooperation? Thumbs up, I love it guys.

morke · Post by **morke** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:15 pm

ok. first version

morke · Post by **morke** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:50 pm

number2

Orix · Post by **Orix** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:43 pm

Not sure about everyone else, but I'm not too fond of those colours. And what are the buildings made of? Sandstone?

morke · Post by **morke** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:48 pm

colors shouldn't be too hard to change. i think they are a little to mediterranian right now. just lookin for feedback

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:49 pm

Awesome work, morke. Simply awesome.

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:00 pm

Textures will be coordinated by myself and PoHa!. If you want to texture them with placeholder textures, it will make our job much easier when we place the final textures into NIFScope.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:39 pm

I agree with Noirgrim. If you guys can add a set of UV coords to the model and upload it as a NIF with placeholders, then we can start sorting out textures.

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:31 am

Hey morke those are great textures! just to let you i have way more buildings sitting over here that i have been fiddling with and modifying, i will slap on UV maps to them this weekend.... i was just sort of waiting untill i knew i wasnt getting any more concepts. But dont worry i will get a final version of everything up pretty soon.

El Scummbago- yea morke was helping me reduce the polies on the models! ps. i feel really stupid asking for this...but could i get a 3d concept of the stairs?

Part of me says we need more differentiation on the arches, with textures they just seem to blend with the base wall to much, Maybe a trim or something!

Edit: dammit and where is Poha? i want his approval, so i know to go ahead!

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:42 am

I really don't like those colors. I had made a color scheme somewhere. For Goldmoor it was an offwhite plaster with blueish trim and goldish domes. Just my idea ever.

morke · Post by **morke** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:40 pm

i agree with FW, they need trim:that could easily be masked onto the maps.

i'll see if i can modify some modern stucco / plaster and put on some better colored placeholder texes. (yeah the colors don't fit much XD)

is there a concept for the trim design?

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:55 pm

Morke, i saw some work did scummy did somewhere where he did a great example of the possible trim...let me look for it................

found it
http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goldmoormcreferenceei6.jpg

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:03 pm

Here's what I was thinking: The light-brown areas (archs and columns) are made of plaster. The heavy-brown areas are made of bricks. Finally, the grey areas (frames) are made from some sort of unidentified material, much like Anvil's. Hope that can help a bit. But big rocks aren't the way to go here imo. Great texture indeed, but not suitable.