Tamriel Rebuilt

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:30 pm

some texture and model work in MAX8

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/r1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/s1.jpg[/img]

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:50 pm

I don't know jack shit about modeling, but it looks pretty good to me. Maybe some of our modelers will have some better comments

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:14 am

Great stuff. Are you interested in architecture modelling for Oblivion? So far we have created exterior architecture for Middle Class (MC) Goldmoor (GM) set. You've probably seen screenshots of these models. Currently Aro101 is designing the interiors, as you can see in this threa:

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?p=219425#219425

We also have a Lowerclass (LC) set in development, and El_Scumbago is currently designing concepts for the Upper Class (UC) buildings.

There is still plenty more which needs to be done.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:29 am

I enjoy modeling, but i prefer texture work: the probem is that i'm more prone to mixing and blending in MAX than actualy making the textures in photoshop.

there are things that I don't know how to do in photoshop that I make up for in MAX like masking, layering, half-toning, normal mapping, etc.

I do have an extremely large collection of (un-organized) textures... so that helps.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:28 am

That is awesome... Especially if you prefer texturing I would like you to get promoted. The texturing you did for this mesh is just great! If you ask me, you could just post one more textured object and you will get my recommendation for promotion.

Edit: Oh, and the file you uploaded is quite big, I will download and take a look at it later(today)

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:33 am

i'll see what i can make... (no, I wont use something i've already done)

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:48 am

If you want, we can test your skills by giving something TR needs (city walls for Goldmoor that I'm supposed to fix), contact me by PM if would like to give a try. I hope nobody has nothing against it

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:03 am

here is my go at softening the tone in a brick texture to decrease bad patterns in color.

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mc1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mc2.jpg[/img]

not toooo much of a difference but there isn't much detail in the building either. (the texture is also a 250x250 from the game THIEF, and it doesn't tile well)

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:26 am

Well, hello Nex, glad to see a new texturer around. If you're familiar with Oblivion and have a decent knowledge on texturing (which I think you do, judging from the screenies), I'd love to have you onboard. We have a good number of meshes waiting for a nice texture.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:20 pm

in answer to Aro's request, i spent some time this morning on the Rihad wall set.

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall1.jpg[/img]

I did a little 'cut and paste' with the textures to help them better fit (imo) the model

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:22 pm

I also found 12 tris that were hiding behind the inner arch that weren't visible, and 4 tris that were welded unevenly to the edges of an object that were making the smoothing have shadowing issues.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:40 pm

Heh, I would prefer the textures that were supposed to be applied for this set, because these are obviously designed for the GM MC exteriors. You should use those that I sent you additionaly for some details if you want. When refining this set, keep in mind these will be the walls that are going be put around cities with exactly such buildings:
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mctest3fa7.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mctest2ae2.jpg
http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mctest4py4.jpg
But you're doing good, and I believe this set will become your promotion material!

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:21 pm

such as this?

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall2.jpg[/img]

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:20 pm

You're really amaze me Nex, but still, I don't like that that Big One With Tribal Texture. Just finish texturing the gate and you got my recommendation for promotion

You're already doing great job! Oh, and there was one thing that I wanted to change with the gate... You see that big "dunno what should I call it" gray thing above the entrance? Remove it from the gate mesh. It is supposed to have a... sign different for each city. It will be added later by a exterior modder in the cs for each gate.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:05 am

thankyou... i would have had to completely remodel the mesh to properly apply a texture. also, if you could specify exactly which textures you want me to work with, that would make it alot easier. right now its kind of a hit and miss deal.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:22 am

Here's a screen for You. I put numbers(1-3) on the textures that were designed for this set. Also, for the dome we use that gold texture of course. The rest is up to you. To show you the scale of this set, I put a green line on the frames that are of the same height. I don't feel like we need a complete remodelling for this set, some simple detaching work would do the job if you wish to change the mesh.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:19 pm

thankyou. if you have a decal/design for Rihad that will be different from other GM cities, i think it would be easy for me to work that into the wall texture.

and for OB, 3 plain texures are going to look very unrealistic in-game, so you are going to need between 8 and 12 different textures. BETH used single dds images that were 2-4 textures mixed together, saving time and filespace, but whether you want them individual or mixed you need more to make primitive polys look realistic.

if you apply your UV to a box before molding it into the arch, you'll save yourself alot of time. then when you use tools like bend, taper, skew, etc, the mesh retains the UV map in proportion(thats what i meant about re-meshing)... but if someone knows a way to warp UVW gizmos then let me know

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:43 pm

if you have a decal/design for Rihad that will be different from other GM cities, i think it would be easy for me to work that into the wall texture.

Heh, that is something I don't decide. This is up the core, and to be honest, I don't know what is the core's stance about it.

and for OB, 3 plain texures are going to look very unrealistic in-game, so you are going to need between 8 and 12 different textures. BETH used single dds images that were 2-4 textures mixed together, saving time and filespace, but whether you want them individual or mixed you need more to make primitive polys look realistic.

Yes, you're right! Of course you are. I just tell You what textures are designed for the walls (which doesn't mean we can use only them, but which means we should use mainly them. The most important thing is to make them realistic, fitting the rest of the Goldmoor architecture and of course make them lore-friendly).

And I prefer using an editable mesh instead of the tools you mentioned. Here you go, Recommendation for promotion!
I'm sure, You will be very useful for the TR and have a lot of fun here!

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:48 am

haha thankyou, i just wanted to be sure before i put hours into the meshes, and using "editable mesh" tools are probably easier for alot of people, but i dont work very well with tris, and i am certainly not the master of normals!

I'll make sure to use the 3 you sent me as the main textures, and i will also make variations of each (for more detail of course) and post them here to get them approved-ish before i spend to much time in MAX

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:02 am

eh? eh.. hit and miss?

EDIT: lol forgot picture...
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall3.jpg[/img]

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:08 am

I recommend Nex as well, he certainly is good. By the way, what does your name mean? I made some assumptions but they're rather ridiculous

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:20 am

Damn! Those textures are put great. You really know how to do it good. As soon, as you get promoted by an Admin, go over to the OoT section and please post there the progress in the respective City Walls topic

El Scumbago, I hope You didn't forgot about the MCs...

I got a lot questions there.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:28 am

No worries, we'll get everything done in no time. I've posted a pic of how I imagine the cellars in the MC Interiors thread and I'm working on the domes and ceilings. I've already adopted many of your ideas

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:51 pm

lol my showcase is so special tht people are talking about core things here... hahaha jk

naw...

my name is of course "latin", and it means essentialy...
"bad things" come towards religion. This is my MMO alias, so i think it fits better than Skourge.

EDIT: awkward forum content removed

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:10 pm

I would say your showcase rocks!

Core? BTW, don't worry yourself while waiting for promotion. It needs only to be formalized, but may take some time(for example Haplo's on vacation, and Lady N is visiting Russia and Belarus)...

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:56 pm

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall4.jpg[/img]

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:47 pm

Pure elegance mr."bad things"! I even dared considering a re-texture of the MC set by you, there are several things I wanted to see in there (and finally didn't).

Post by **Haplo** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:12 pm

I'm on vacation in Pennsylvania, and am using a Macbook Pro to access the forums via some neighbor's wireless (shh), and I can't see any of the pictures you've posted except for the very last one. That last texture, however, is incredibly hi-res and very realistic.
Congratulations, Rex

Modder Promoted;Texture Artist being his primary function.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:12 pm

thanx mangs!

(i also moved alot of photos in my photosuckit album so there might be some "gratuitous red X zones")

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:08 am

Don't want to rain on the parade, but those textures were created by Noirgrim and included in the original MC texture set. That being said, you've done a great job of UV mapping and fixing the mesh errors. Welcome to the project.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:52 am

Don't want to rain on the parade, but those textures were created by Noirgrim and included in the original MC texture set.

I'm aware of that Morden. And that is OK. I sent them to Nex (3 textures that were designed for the walls and some that were used for the MC set). And I told Nex to do exactly what I was supposed to do and what Fairwater told me some time ago about this set. We still don't have architecture textures for GM in the OoT other than those for MC. What matters, It would take me much more time(I only hope it isn't eternity

), to put textures so good as Nex did.
BTW, Morden, I will upload what I have by now for the MC interiors (almost all meshes are ready, and the rest is simple) and if you have some time you can design some textures or improve those stupid ones created by me. It would be great if you could.

And now... Congratulations!

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:00 am

thankyou for the welcome here.

if you want to change the textures, I thnk its possible to use different brick and stone textures as long as you keep to the scales and borders of the origional maps.

brick will be alot harder to change and should only be re-colored or "'textured' in photoshop". As far as stucco, solid stone, and decals go, you can probably change anything you want except size and scale.

needless to say, if the texture is used on objects that intersect eachother and smash together (thus requiring alot of UVW work) I would still need to edit the UV maps.

sorry about going all wiki on you but i haven't slept in quite a while and my picture reference and slideshow abilities are quite shot. (mind you, i did have a very good idea on how to say it with pics but i just type faster

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:51 pm

does anyone know how to use targa images (or max tools) to create exportable shafts of light? Im trying to get this:

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/beams.jpg[/img]

but all i can get is this:
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/RENDER.jpg[/img]

i've gone over the tut time and time again and i can't figure out what i'm doing wrong.

of course, i'm sure there is a way to put light beams in OB that have no collision and little opacity. (grrr, there has to be! "shakes fist at computer")

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:35 pm

There are already such light beams in Oblivion. Why don't you import one in 3Ds and check it out?

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:45 pm

I won't be able to install OB for a while, sine I have loaned it to a friend. I don't remember beams in the game though. Of course, I pretty much gave up on the game after i beat it, so i did miss a lot of content.

"back to texturing"

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:36 pm

Im moving all posts about the CITY WALLS to a thread in the OoT forum, respectively.

i'll keep all other showcase materials here.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:57 am

here are some models and textures

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/chainmail.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/chainmaillower.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/armour001.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/clothing013.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/clothing013b.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_003.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic006.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_004.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_002.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_002bump.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_001.jpg[/img]

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:00 am

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/3-5.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/2-6.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/1-11.jpg[/img]
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/weapons013.jpg
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/1-10.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/dagger.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/cuttoeknife1.jpg[/img]

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:12 am

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic001.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic002.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic003.jpg[/img]
see? total tex all the way....

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic005.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic008.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic009.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic012.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic013.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic014.jpg[/img]

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:19 am

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic015.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic016.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic017.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_005.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_006.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_010.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_011.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_014.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/celtic_017.jpg[/img]