City Walls (fortifications)

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:08 pm

Ahhh that is an easy problem to fix..... Aro you will have to rexport them but before that you will need to reset their xforms.......it is the secret no one knows of....under utilities (the hammer) it should be there..... i do beofre i export anything .....even after i make a a slight change i do it.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:55 pm

at any rate, here is the vid. enjoy.

ladyn.tamriel-rebuilt.org/WallGlitch.wmv
and here are the screens:
[url=http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wall1dl9.jpg][img]http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2125/wall1dl9.th.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wall2nu5.jpg][img]http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8065/wall2nu5.th.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wall3ku2.jpg][img]http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1861/wall3ku2.th.jpg[/img][/url]
Fairwater, i really need to talk to you. please get on AIM.

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:58 pm

Dang skrait that's sexy.

Noirgrim · Post by **Noirgrim** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:06 pm

Can we get the GM textures on it? I gave them to Fairwater.

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:43 pm

what i dont get is why the top part of the tower is so light compared to the rest........aro might want to check the normals and vertex shading...... i think ......ps the gate should be as light as the top part!

ah and on parts it looks like there is some texture streching

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:45 pm

It's wrong. The Gate was supposed to have the towers connected to its ends, not two Wall Pieces and then the towers. Other than that and the awkward shiny-ness of the emblem space right above the gate, it's ok.

Post by **Haplo** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:31 pm

There's two posts with things to fix! After that it'll be ready for submission

*thumbs up*

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:16 am

I'm confused... What do you want me to fix Haplo? I would be happy to work again on the walls, but I can't see here what i'm supposed to fix...

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:26 pm

I downloaded the latest OoT and tested the MCs on a friend's comp. I didn't tested it in-game as well, but I came across some flaws, mainly concerning the size/width/length of some modulars that force the modder to bleed them into each other, making for some ugly clipping.

Then again, I'm a very bad exterior modder myself, so I may as well screwed up the whole thing. But I'd like to know if anyone else has checked them out thoroughly.

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:58 pm

El Scumbago wrote:It's wrong. The Gate was supposed to have the towers connected to its ends, not two Wall Pieces and then the towers. Other than that and the awkward shiny-ness of the emblem space right above the gate, it's ok.

Fairwater wrote:what i dont get is why the top part of the tower is so light compared to the rest........aro might want to check the normals and vertex shading...... i think ......ps the gate should be as light as the top part!

ah and on parts it looks like there is some texture streching

Those two things. I realize now that you may not be able to see them as they were made in Reviewing which normally hides posts.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:29 pm

I had a look in nifskope at the MCs and I remember there were some wierd things, but the only one I can remember right now(propably because it affects my work...) is that in some MCs there is no place inside(between the columns) in which I can put the staircase. There are always some windows or doors. I guess it is a problem only if we always directly remake the MC in the interior(keeping the original size, window placement, etc.)

I got my internet connection back! Hurray! ^^

I take a look at the wall set asap!

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:56 am

aro101 wrote:there is no place inside(between the columns) in which I can put the staircase. There are always some windows or doors.

That does sound like a problem... Stupid me.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:41 pm

ok, here is the progress i've made today on the main wall tile:

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall5.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall6.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall7.jpg[/img]

those arches will need to be rebuilt to be textured unless::::::: we want to make a unique arch-shaped texture and UVW plane that sucka (Nex votes for a unique texture)

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:52 pm

My vote is: just do whatever suits you

Noir and Farwater already used unique designed textures for some MC arches and I believe that is a good solution.

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:13 pm

That looks incredible

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:32 pm

thanx. My next act will be waving the magic wand of tiled textures. Oh how I loathe tiling textures...

you guys could have made it easy and put little half pillars on the ends of the wall.... but nooooo... o.0 gotta be seamless brick

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:24 am

Christ that looks good, keep up the great work

morke · Post by **morke** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:20 am

That's inspiring

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:12 pm

Nex ftw

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:30 pm

we will no take a short recess to enjoy some dancing bananas...

.....

I haven't been able to find a good enough texture to use on the arches. besides the gate (which will take me an hour or two to match to the wall), the arch is the only thing barring me from getting the textures tiled and submiting the wall set to ÃƒËœoT

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:03 am

You might be best with a unique arch map, like you mentioned earlier.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:45 am

thats what i mean, i was referring to an arch shaped texture. if the arch looks anything less than immaculate then the whole wall goes down the drain. besides, with the arch in place i can do some contrast work in PS to make that mortar texture look more like the arch has been there a while, maybe i can even mask some weather damage onto the stone... (its worth a shot, even though its a completely new idea to me)

as well as the model: once im done i will re submit all my textures in 512x512 bmp format, (unless of course all i have to do is save it as a dds file).

i also have a major question:
what is the use of having 512, 256, 128, 64, 32, 16, 8 size textures next to eachother in dds format? if that is done to the 512 square textures im using the entire model will be back to square one.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:31 am

Are you talking about exporting in .dds with mipmaps?

Oblivion requires that you export with mipamps. As I understand it, a different quality texture will be loaded depending on draw distance and detail settings. Its best if you upload your textures as a .dds file. The mipmaps will be added automatically if you have the option selected. I always use DXT5 compression.. though i think Noirgrim used DXT3.

Wiki on mipmaps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mipmap

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:38 am

now that you say it: i think my problem came from using a dds file (with your mipmaps) after editing the file in paint and not reconverting it.....

i think i just tasted my own foot

insert mouth: open foot.. haha

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:39 am

woops: (sry for double post) here's my progress:

i edited the main wall map in PS to get some weather detail:
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall8.jpg[/img]

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:20 am

just bumping the thread with progress

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/mcwall9.jpg[/img]

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:33 am

ok here is some new UV and some tiling work.

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/mcwall10.jpg[/img]

yes i'm blatently avoiding the arches until beer appears in my fridge... i hate arches XD

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:28 am

Looking good.

Can't wait to see your work on the arches.

BTW, bumping is usually done after a couple of days, not 40 minutes

Please use the edit button.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:15 am

Nex, you astonished me with the last picture. That is just great! Except one thing, that stone in the middle might look a bit too long

Hmm, I always convert my textures with the DDS Converter 2. It's the easiest way.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:23 pm

Ah... aro is right. There is a noticeable pattern change in the center of the wall where texture has been mirrored horizontally. We're a picky bunch

A couple minutes with the photoshop offset filter and a clone tool should fix that, though you may have to go back to your pre-weathering texture to fix it the best. I hope you work in layers

It would be a shame to have to re-do that nice weathering.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:29 pm

actually, it took me about 2 minutes, but all i have to do is split the stone down the middle in that center spot (I knew that would be the focus but i had to go to bed

)

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:57 pm

"does the fist-a-cuffs dance"
ya-duh-duh

here's my latest screenie on the Rihad wall. I got off my ass and worked hard on making that ugly center seam go by-by (and in doing so, turned 3 texs into 1)

[url=http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005202623359693649][img]http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/21752/2005202623359693649_th.jpg[/img][/url]

And here are the two texs I have Mapped and Placed and (hopefully) won't be changing anymore.

[url=http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005214422219262160][img]http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/21741/2005214422219262160_th.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005272777469197378][img]http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/20622/2005272777469197378_th.jpg[/img][/url]

Im speculating that I wont be needing more than 3 or 4 more texs total. maybe 3 (max) for the towers and 1 for the inner gate.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:33 pm

ok: here is the wall rendered with mental ray (FINALY)

and...

FRIEKIN ARCHES!!!!!!1

[url=http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002507998388141851][img]http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/21233/2002507998388141851_th.jpg[/img][/url]

ok, well, I like the tex but I don't want to rebuild the UV's so if changes need to be made then we can use the 256x256 tex as a template

here is the new tex:

[url=http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002589746008767501][img]http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/21233/2002589746008767501_rs.jpg[/img][/url]

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:25 pm

Looks fantastic

Keep it up! I'm eagerly waiting to see what you can do with the tower.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:20 pm

HERE IT IS FOR SAFEKEEPING PURPOSES

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:21 pm

That looks incredible! Well done

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:06 am

Bellissimo!

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:37 pm

Here is the main wall section: all finished: with the textures.

If anybody needs help applying the tex let me know (and of course if I am missing a texture).

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:45 pm

bump: please someone dl this: My computer is having terrible drive issues and i dont want to lose this work.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:28 pm

Downloaded!

Can't wait to see some more! Nex, have you ever used normal maps, converted to dds or exported to the nif format? I'm just wondering if you had any experience with it

Sorry if you are good at it, I just would like to know