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Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:40 am

Im just wondering wether you have to actually make up music or wether you can submit songs because i have found a few songs lying around that i might be of your need

Gesshoku · Post by **Gesshoku** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:51 am

The thing is with songs that you don't write yourself there are usually litigations involved, copyrights and what not. Unless the music has no licensing what so ever, and chances are it won't, then maybe it can be used. Even still though, we like 100% original work, that way crediting in the release is easy, plus we don't have to worry about legal issues.

--Dave

(Sorry to step on your toes Macar

)

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:00 am

what about if i use only a section of the song

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:00 am

the law states that if 7 or more notes/chords from a song are used in sequential order, then you are infringing upon the origional copyright.
BUT: if the clip of the song is a synth or sample (or the whole song) that has been published/played in 6 or more other songs etc, then there is no infringement.

publishing Lord of the Ring's tracks would be illegal, where as publishing the "happy birthday" song would not.

mostly it depends on how old/used it is.

My advise is: if you like a part in a song, get the feel of the chord progressions and compose your own music using similar scales: therefore capturing what you liked about the song in a harmless way.

lol thats my 2 cents

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:45 am

If you can, try to get it to be a orchestral ensable or at least have some chamber string in the background etc.. Were trying to stay in the instrumental boundries that the original soundtracks of Morrowind/Oblivion were. Otherwise, feel free with the instrumentation. (PM Macar if you've got a question with the instrumentation because a) he's the head or sound and music and b) because I am fairly new).

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:50 am

OK then what good free program do u reccomend i use

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:55 am

i use ANVIL STUDIO, but its pretty archaic

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:03 am

There is no such thing as a good music writing program that gets the job done and is free. I use Sibelius. Its one of the best and most expensive. There is also finale. But both are hundreds of dollars with discounts.

I suggest if you are a serious composer to save some money and get something like Sibelius. If you just have some simple melodies you would like to share with us and don't have hundreds of dollars lying around, anvil studio or something like mozart39 (I think) is fine. But most free programs are restricted to 1 stave, so forget about orchestral scores.

Sorry to shove you into that tight corner...

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:09 am

I just remembered that i have the full version of future beat 3d and i was wondering what equipment i need to connect ny electric organ/piano to my computer

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:19 pm

Sorry, can't help you there. I've never heard or future beat 3D...

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:30 pm

i mean is there like cables and adaptors that go from your midi out on your piano to a slot on your computer

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:53 am

yes, many
you have USB, MIDI, FIREWIRE, RCA, HIGH/LOW IMPEADANCE JACK,

ill find some pic references for you.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:56 am

firewire
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/Final-Firewire.jpg[/img]

midi
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/midi_cable.jpg[/img]

1/4 (or 1/8) jack
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/Quarter_inch_cable.jpg[/img]

rca
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/RCA_Cables20pic.jpg[/img]

xlr
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/xlr1web.jpg[/img]

and of course, your midi card for your pc
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/prod15760_hdr_1_6_1.jpg[/img]

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:10 am

holy crap looks expensive i think ill make do with my computer keyboard and get used to it. thanks anyway
i made this for a church in one of my mods
took me about 10mins u might not like it very echoey for a big church. seems to have a big blank spot on the end for some reason.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:34 am

its fairly simple, which can be good or bad: It does sound very easy to loop, and that is very good.

more instruments would really help. i do think it can use an underlying theme, perhaps low-volume pipe or church organ: something that caries the listener's ear back and forth between the choir and such. (not sure if strings would help or hurt)

it does really remind me of the church music in bauldur's gate

ORIX or MACAR would be much better references for TR questions about sound and music, though i don't think my opinion will hurt

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:05 am

Hey- to answer your original question: no, dont use anything written by others. Forget the legal isues, it's just part of the policy endorsed by me and all my predicessors in the music department. All original material. The only place where I might make an exception is if you are using a lesser known folk tune or early music peice- and then, only to borrow a theme- not the whole peice.

The peice itself I'll have to comment on later: As I'm downloading it. Keep your eyes open for a comment from me.

[edit] Okay, I had a listen. The peice has some potential. First of all, writing for choir is tricky buisness because no synth choir really does the trick. Also- this music would only suit certain settings- mostly church or nightime happy settings. Our ingame music wont be that speicific. We have explore music, town music, dungeoun music, and battle music.

I'm going to tell you now that it's going to be tough composing for this project if you dont have the equipment. Sure, you might get myself or someone else to redo the peice with better quality instruments- but that's a lot of wolk that most composers would rather spend on thier own peices.

But that dosent mean quit- I started off with only midi stuff- but I gradualy upgraded my equipment as I became more serious about composing.

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:36 am

I just listened to the track then. Strings could hurt, but its more likley they would help. If you had good sounds for strings and the voices then strings would almost definately help. You could get a jumping skitterish violin solo with the other strings as a base and the vocals as the background harmony, or you could just make the strings do the same as the vocals and maybe change both a bit to fit a plagal cadence for that more 'churcy' feel. As Nex said, having a pipe organ would help, but it all depends on the way you write music.
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