Tamriel Rebuilt

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:37 am

Rihad isn't a really trully major city so harems and the like would be out of question I suppose. And the luxury of the palace should be compared to that of Anvil's and not to Top-Kapi. So yes, I'm in favor of turning this into the palace of Sentinel, but I agree that if you could tone it down a bit it could be used in Rihad. And the previous building is an excellent start for a temple.

As for taking screenshots from Daggerfall, won't it work if you press PrintScreen, open MSPain,->Edit->Paste?

Post by **Gnomey** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:33 pm

Personally, I think that the Palace would fit in Hegathe, the capital of the Crowns. I think that for Rihad, it should be a bit more like a fortress, and copying a bit from the Imperial castles. This palace looks very ornate, and not very Imperial, so it would work in Hegathe.

As for Sentinel, I think it should be made ornate, very ornate. More so than the palace you posted. (Probably my idea wouldn't be possible with OB, but I can still dream). It should have shades of fortress lower down, and more ornate further up. It should have a mixing of styles, too. At the bottom, probably even below the level of the main entrance, it should look very Crown, but in a sparse way. Further up, it's still crown but more decorative, less of a fortress. Then in the highest, newest parts, and the outermost parts, it would reflect Lhotun. It would have Imperial and Redguard undertones, maybe even some hints of other Tamrielic cultures, and it wouldn't be quite as ornate as the newer Crown parts. (Which would have every inch covered in some form of decoration).

I wish I'd come up with all of this in the WSG, but oh well.

Anyway, as I said, even if it was done mostly with textures my idea is probably not possible with OB. It would be nice to see, though.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:11 pm

@Scummbago: I find it very ironic that i have a full working version of Daggerfall and no way to take screenshots. The old 'prt scrn' then paste isn't working. im not an MS-DOS major but there has got to be a way to run the game windowed. I mean.... comon... Its friekin DOS.

@Gnomey: I agree about Sentinel 100%. Castle Daggerfall may rule the Iliac Bay but Sentinel and Wayrest are far richer by comparison. I think i can make Sentinel look extremely rich: (its possible!

). I like the idea of making it a seperate worldspace.

I can make this model into both a palace and a fortress. I just move walls around and add machicholations and embrasures (sp?) and some different minarets/towers and its all set.
For the palace i make it detailed. it will take time but I we decide what TR wants done now: I can have alot of progress on this mesh before the goldmoor cities are started. I can even turn the center tower into a "dome of the rock" style temple for Hammerfell's cathedral.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:05 pm

I believe the quality of what you can give, rewards the time it may take. Just keep uploading WIPs

And lets move the discussion to an object thread... If you ask me, it would be best to finish one of these ideas first and then see how this work can be used in other places. It would be the fastest and the most secure way...

SweEngel · Post by **SweEngel** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:30 pm

# Pressing Ctrl+F5 will take a snapshot of the current game screen. The file is saved as a PNG file in the capture subdirectory of DosBox.

that's how you do it if you run dosbox..

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Running_Under_DOSBox

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:38 pm

Thankyou SweEngel. I'll give this a try.

@starting a new thread:
not sure where it should go or what it should be called.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:17 pm

you can post work here if you like. And also whichever you prefer to do (Start a new model or edit an existing one) you may. You can also do both if you like; I don't want to hamper you too much, y'know.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:54 am

thankyou: i'd rather not move the post since alot of discussion has taken place here. I'll hold off on my other "showcase" material for a while.

And thanks Haplo.

Here is the idea that Im getting about this model's subjigate (sp?) models::::

Castle Sentinel :
Fancier with less fortifications and surrounding architecture.

Rihad's Temple :
Alteration of center dome
(which of the Nine does Rihad worship?)

Castle for Rihad and Stonemoor :
(toned down, smaller, and more fortifications)

These are all very possible, and I can make the temple and Castle variations in a matter of minutes.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:21 am

here is the temple: almost finished meshing

[url=http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000360835155864887][img]http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/23771/2000360835155864887_th.jpg[/img][/url]

long crappy day so sorry for the lack of progress.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:50 pm

You're a wizard! That temple looks so cool. What is the scale of it?

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:32 pm

Fucking perfect. I'm...excited! So excited that I want to write an idea I just had.

We could use this temple all over Hammerfell, as was the initial plan, but also give it a more localized character by making some very small changes, depending on the region the temple will be put in.

For example, since Goldmoor region uses the same architecture all over, we could simply add a bottom frame to the temple like the one of the MC buildings and change the windows to be similar to these of the UC buildings. It will suit the region perfectly and still be special with its own character.

What does everyone think? Nex? I believe that a simple Boolean would work fine for window holes and a frame wouldn't be hard to make I think.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:02 pm

Great! I'm just wondering where's the efing entrance?

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:54 pm

well aro: to answer your question first: the entrance will be 8 doors: two of which are shown (unless of course we build a square module underneath like Scummy said)

These aren't boolean arches for door statics to be placd either: the temple has a wraparound hallway.

[url=http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002892821100573752][img]http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/22931/2002892821100573752_th.jpg[/img][/url]

@Scummy: The upper tower windows are extremely low poly and in good detail: so i dont want to change them. The lower walls though can have window modules placed just about anywhere and i wont need to be boolean'ing anything.

and @theViking: I am the Black Wizards.

scale is 1.3 a normal persons height at the front door/arch

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:21 pm

Stupid me, now I see it's a door. Another nice pick. Hah, I would like to say something constructive, but I'm astonished propably.
Could I have a look at the mesh? It would be a pleasure for me ^^

Post by **Haplo** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:26 pm

All I can say is... wow

Awesome model, dude

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:33 pm

im out thdoor for work: so i'll have it uploaded in 6 or 7 hours or so.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:47 am

Here is the Mosque and Temple

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:54 am

I have totaly seperate question about MAX.

I understand that the fastest way to model an interior is to take the exterior and invert it.... HOW DO I INVERT MESHES????

/me knows
how to flip
and mirror
and rotate
and skew,

but not how
to invert
or triangulate
Too many tools
I can't USE!!

any help?

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:50 pm

I'm not sure, but I know interiors are supposed to be a bit larger than their exterior counterparts. This was very true for Morrowind, but in Oblivion it's only a slight increase, so a 100% invert would be too small.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:19 pm

In Ob some interiors are in size an exact copy of the exteriors, and some go completely crazy... It just depends on what are you trying to get... There is no rule.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:56 am

Here are some of my current time-wasters

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/3.jpg[/img]

Getting down to finishing the last two would be a pain: I don't do ik/bone systems and i dont have the patience to paint some oc materials. I have lots of misc scenes that are unfinished.

Anyhoo I'm looking to get back to modding for TR. Hit me up with some feedback

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:18 pm

I've merged your new showcase with your old; each member is only allowed one showcase.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:25 pm

yeah pretty much negate everything previous... (those models are embarrassing XD)

I don't even think I have those old files anymore anyways.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:32 pm

hey man, glad to see you back! do you have any files you want me to look at so you can be promoted again? theres still tons of stuff to do, having another modeler on board would be great

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:52 pm

I hereby vow to not make a single mesh unless i use an approved concept. send me a concept for a chair or a bookcase or a bowl of peanuts.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:54 am

well, I couldn't find the bowl of peanuts i was looking for, but here's a rough mesh of a canteen. I used a concept from the "n8-60-Cro" claim, took me about an hour and the uvw maps are about 70% done.

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/canteenscreen1.jpg[/img]

974 tris
50% complete

Kasan Moor · Post by **Kasan Moor** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:40 pm

That canteen looks great, but I assume the texture is still WIP? I believe they used mostly animal bladders for canteens and water pouches.

But what about your old work? Architecture and such? I believe we are still lacking a proper tileset for Hammerfell.

Post by **Gnomey** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:04 pm

A proper complete tileset, yes. However, it does have lower class exteriors for the Goldmoor tileset, along with middle class exteriors and interiors among other things. (Such as a lighthouse and wall set). Of course, as he doesn't have the models anymore, or at least doesn't know where they are, that's irrelevant.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:28 pm

its a total wip: haven't even touched ps yet. sorry about the files: check and see if aro101 still has copies. besides: I think we could make better arch pieces now that it sounds like stirk is done.

Im at a loss finding a leather texture with crosstitch leather sewing (like in the concept).

(sry for editing) and that backstrap would of course be replaced with the stitching: the tassles might be too western, and the strap floating around the front of the bladder would be replaced with an animooted one freefloating from the top.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:00 pm

the canteen looks great man

if you want meaningful work i recommend looking in the claims forum, everything in there is needed and high priority.

we totally completely need more architecture. like seriously.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:23 pm

how many peeps are working on the marketplace?

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:29 pm

8-60? no one at the moment. if you want to begin with one of those models (preferably something totally new) so that you can be promoted you can then go and finish off that claim.

Upper Class architecture would be even more useful than that however.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:15 am

well i did this while i waited: but I'll go take n8-60-Cro out for dinner and see if I can score some.

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/s1_1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/s1_2.jpg[/img]

80%complete
facets:1792

map:
[url]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/sword_1_512.jpg[/url]
normal:
[url]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/sword_1_512_bump_example.jpg[/url]

I still need to make the quillon look more like metal and not a bar of soap >:(

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:35 am

first wip. GF is gone and I have about 14 hours of freetime......
Im about to rock TR with a hurricane of marketness.

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/market_1_wip.jpg[/img]

If you (admins) have specific photo's/textures you want to see used please send them my way.
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NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:34 am

Im only double posting to get a timestamp: I didn't check what time I started

[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/market_2_wip.jpg[/img]
(edited)
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/market_2_wip_render.jpg[/img]

Night0205 · Post by **Night0205** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:43 am

Dude, Nex, you are awesome. How long did it take you to get that good?

Night0205 · Post by **Night0205** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:44 am

I guess, I double posted. Sorry.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:04 am

Thankyou for the compliment! i've been lazy with 3ds max for about 3 years total... the more you make mistakes and the longer you take with one project only helps your next one that much more. every time I fire up max I learn a quicker way to create a certain type of mesh. I'm always trying to invent ways to get more detail out of less polys. With this marketplace I'm just going with what I know for now.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:39 am

Now I'm just trying to get to page 4 in my showcase so everything will look like a new slate 8D

wip3
[img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/market_3_wip.jpg[/img]

about 14500 tris, 1300-2400 negotiable. everything is uvmapped and I still need to build the skele for a market row bending in the opposite direction. Tileability is our friend. And dont let the bamboo fool you. the posts can be whatever they need to be

Knowing a little culinary skill I also have a few concepts for outdoor foods. (no scanner so i'll have to keep my doodles to myself) I'll introduce the models to the list as I find time and see what you guys think.

NexUmMonastica · Post by **NexUmMonastica** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:15 pm

I've put in about 7 strait hours into this, and I think it is turning out nicely.

[url=http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/?action=view&current=market_3_wip_render.jpg][img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/th_market_3_wip_render.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/?action=view&current=market_4_wip.jpg][img]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/solobeck/TR/th_market_4_wip.jpg[/img][/url]

its coming up on 25000 tris, so im well within tes4 budget as far as I can remember, but if added to the clutter, this thing makes a total lagfest, then I can probably knock a couple thousand tris of the support poles.

Nex

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