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Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:28 pm

is it realy time for helkori stuff when we still have stuff for GM to do?

Fairwater · Post by **Fairwater** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:07 pm

Well when you look at how we have an influx of modelers and nothing for them to do i would say yes.....we almost have no concept art being produced to fill the gaps of what we need for GM so while we are waiting for that we should get this done.

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:25 pm

Triangle budget?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:42 pm

http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=18133 has a list of poly counts to use as examples, hopefully someone will come along with a more specific number. Granting and happy Modeling. oh and btw... (YEY! ITS POHA!)

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:29 am

(Good job, Thrignar!)

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:55 am

wha? huh? what did I do? and aren't you someone who can supply a better poly count estimate?

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:49 pm

Po said that he alredy has the polyconts on IRC

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:50 pm

I remember saying that I have tree polycounts. That is to say, I can look up any number of OB trees fairly easily, and get a rough estimate to aim for from that.

My question was more towards the point of things that might cause any fluctuation in said triangle count. Anything regarding the tree's usage that might give me more triangles (the tree needs to be very large, it won't be used that often, it will only be used in conjunction with lower poly models, fewer models will be around it than in OB regions, etc...) or fewer triangles (we'll have a forest of them closely packed, they'll be used with lots of high poly or high graphical intensity areas, etc) to work with.

In conclusion, I suppose my question wasn't all that clear

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:10 pm

feel free to go above the norm. the helkori wont be densly forested (bieng a savanah region) so trees can take up more polygons. not too high though

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:59 pm

[url=http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/PoHaEiFor/3dModels/HelkoriTree.jpg?t=1187906299]Clickey[/url]

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:42 am

Wow..you actually got it to resemble the picture. Thats no easy task in speedtree.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:10 pm

wow, besides the lack of textures it looks great!

PS. can we please have a tree this big (its the same type of tree as this claim):
http://www.scottbeaulier.com/BaobabTree.jpg

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:37 pm

It looks great, PoHa!

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:12 pm

[url=http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/PoHaEiFor/HelkoriTreeTextureTest.jpg?t=1188148295]In-CS Texture Test.[/url]

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:02 pm

looks quite good! i personaly would like a few more leaves, and if posible a couple of variations (one or 2 would be enough, if its not too much too ask). how big is it?

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:00 pm

It's exactly as big as however big it needs to be. Changing the scale in SpeedTree is nearly as easy as changing the scale of any object in the CS. And if it looks weird, it can be tweaked.

So how big does it need to be?

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:11 pm

can you try it with the bottom trunk piece as tall as a person? personaly, i would love to have one as big as the pic i posted above, but i dont think this particular model should be it. the fubar big one would take up a cell and could use quite a few poly's

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:01 pm

Trunk as tall as a person. Leaves filled out a bit more, some polies reduced. Needs collision, which I am not willing to go through that headache that is. I've included in the .rar a text file which lists a few nice seeds (some other seeds do weird things to the trunk, which makes it look bad)

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:03 pm

Are you planning to make some more progress on this PoHa, or are you just passing it over on the stage it is now?

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:45 am

Ack, missed your post

I'm submitting it for someone else to make the collision for it. At the time, I was unaware that the CS actually creates collision for (some) trees when you import them. I can't say whether or not this one would get collision or not.

If it doesn't have collision (or its collision is way off, as tends to occur) then someone needs to create collision for it. Its entirely possible to do that only using NifSkope and the CS, but its a bunch of running back and forth between those two programs to check and tweak and such, and can sometimes be a headache.

So... uh, yeah. Other than collision, I say its done.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:31 am

How many variations of the tree did you make? BTW I just planted a baobab in an old shoebox. They are cute when they are small too.

[img]http://froghollow.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/baobab_bonsai.JPG[/img]

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:31 pm

Thanks poha, I'm gonna review this tree today. BTW, How many variations would we like to have?

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:53 pm

I don't quite remember. Apparently, I put a text file in the .rar with a number of seeds that looked good, but I honestly have no idea how many that is. I can barely remember making this tree

Wait... what tree? Where the heck am I? I'm going back to the subway, where I can dance for nickels in my shoehorn box of mailed yodel players.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:31 pm

Dang, can you at least remember in which exact folders I should put the textures to?

I don't have speedtree, so all that is left to test it for me is the CS and Oblivion itself.

EDIT.

Lulz, forget the first question. I'm passing this back to you.
First, the texture filenames.
TR_HK_Leaves_03
HelkoriTree03
You see? You're not cool

I won't even mention that it crashes my CS... Fix this please

PoHa! · Post by **PoHa!** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:45 pm

Anytime you try to load up a tree that doesn't have a billboard image in the correct folder, it will crash the CS.

As for the leaf texture, having an underscore in its name won't cause any issues, since leaves don't use normal maps. If, for the sake of consistency, you'd like the name changed, I'll do it.

For the folders, I'll upload a new .rar in a minute, with correct paths for all. I suppose I can also create a collision for it, so no worries on that either.

Edit: New .rar up. Everything should be in its correct folder, unless I screwed up something. I also typed up a few general notes about SpeedTree trees for good measure.

Post by **Haplo** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:28 am

To Review!

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:55 am

Wow, it works and it has collisions. Some screens:
[url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/ScreenShot32.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/th_ScreenShot32.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/ScreenShot33.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/th_ScreenShot33.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/ScreenShot34.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/th_ScreenShot34.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/ScreenShot35.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/th_ScreenShot35.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/ScreenShot36.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/th_ScreenShot36.jpg[/img][/url]
Works very fine ingame. No high distance visibility problems lags etc. Good job. The only thing I'm not sure about is the CS settings (defined while merging) of the tree. They are described here, http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/Tree but I have no experience in trees so I have no idea what the optimum settings for this tree should be. So I suggest leaving the default values unless someone encounters something unnatural in the tree's behaviour. So if no one has anything against it, I can say it's finished and ready for merging.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:00 pm

Approved and ready for merging(Will be included in the next OoT).