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Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:07 pm

if i were to claim this, do i need to texture it too?

Post by **Haplo** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:17 pm

Preferably yes, but not necessarily. Someone else could help with the texture or create it entirely on their own.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:12 am

ive done this should i claim it
its 986 faces
[url=http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plant1ww1.jpg][img]http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5987/plant1ww1.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:25 am

considering you have already finished it, it looks nice, and it matches the concept well, I am going to go out on a limb and say yes, you should claim it.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:34 am

ok ill claim it

Post by **Haplo** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:37 pm

Granting

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:20 pm

what kind of colours are the textures meant to be for the leaves, the stem and the flowery bit on top

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:34 am

i put some textures om it is this the right colour scheme
i also made it higher amount of faces up to 1250 faces now instead of 1000 it made a big difference to the leaves.
[url=http://img474.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plant1texrp2.jpg][img]http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/1736/plant1texrp2.th.jpg[/img][/url]

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:12 am

Judging by the screenie, it looks nice

Though, I'm not sure if the polycount is right. Please upload your mesh, so we can take a look if some optimization can be done

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:23 am

heres the mesh i didnt upload any textures yet coz they re only temp unless you like them
im sure the polys could get cut down but you know me i like to have everything very smooth and high poly

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:59 pm

the model looks great! I dont see any problems poly-wise. To make it look better I think you can to merge the top polygons of the other leaves (you merged some, but not all) to let the other leaves look less cubic to.

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:39 pm

its OK,
In my opinion, you should have just used an alpha map on the petals, instead you wasted 900 polygons on those.

i think an Alpha on that would look better
-Andy

it will look alot more smooth, and it will have less polygons.

(i attached an edited version of it, just to show what i mean)

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:14 am

can sum1 plz make me a alpha map for this i dont know how

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:45 pm

We will not go with an alpha map. I personally think It will be a lot better to make a use of polies here. All you need to do now Fishcake is to put some textures on your mesh

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:43 am

ok so polies are the go but what sort of colour theme is is?
eg:green leaves, greeny coulour stem and yellowish flower thing?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:08 am

[url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/plant1ww1.jpg][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/NotMine/th_plant1ww1.jpg[/img][/url]

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:41 am

hows this (large pic to see details,click to see fullsize)
[url=http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=largeplant1uc3.jpg][img]http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/796/largeplant1uc3.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:00 am

it looks very nice, can you post the mesh and textures so that I can have a look at it? If you want me to add colission I'l do that to.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:57 am

i still need to make the textures into a power of 2, i forgot to do that before i started to use them and then ill have to move all the UV co-ords

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:49 pm

Wow, the screenie looks awesome, but you're right, you have to put together the textures into one file. And I must admit, you used kinda wierd ones, but well, it's ok as long as it looks properly

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:24 pm

IMO it looks a little strange that you have such a dry top bit, and such succulent leaves. I reckon it would look better if the leaves had dry bits on the tips.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:39 pm

I second nomadic, he's definitely right.

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:29 am

Only change the leaves. The rest of it is perfect Helkori-wise.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:40 pm

Any progress on this? Maybe you want some help with the texture? The rest seems done, isn't it?

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:49 am

i should be able to do it its just getting to it (lazy me) see if i can get some done tonight hopefully, after to night i wont be able to until after christmas
im wondering should it be 1024x1024 or 512x512 for all the three textures in 1 picture

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:19 am

512x512 is just fine for all flowers

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:40 am

hows, is this what you mean by in one file, wierd looking leaves in my view but the best i can do does look dried out. stupid program!!! the undo button doesnt work anymore and it hasnt worked for at least a month, really annoying each time i make a mistake i have to reopen the file again (i make a mistake, quit, do you want to save, NO, open again, wait to load, open file again, reapeat until you have done what you need to do)much like rinse and repeat.

still needs to be a .dds format and still more work i think but i dont know what a plant needs in oblivion (collision etc) i know about morrowind though its very simple.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:06 am

is this any good?? (sry for double post but its been like 2 weeks)

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:09 am

Sorry, I have no idea how I missed this... Strange. Anyway, yes, it looks promising. Just make the whole leaves a bit mor yellow, and make another variation of this plant for additional variety. And oblivion is also very simple if you know how to do it for oblivion. Just try the CS Wiki for more info.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:34 pm

Any progress made during last month?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:25 pm

Revoking

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:59 am

im back :) i sent aro a pm to apoligise for leaving without saying anything but anyway i back now. and claiming this (hopefully)
in my time away i have learnt MUCH about modelling and texturing. i have already remade the model completely because the old was a piece of crap and wasted poly. the new one is 1044 faces and has 0 triangles. and i have nearly finished uv unwrapping at this time.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:23 pm

Zagwarantowany ( granted in polish)

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:27 am

Done. hope its right
1044 polys
512x512 .dds texture.
how do i know what scale to make it in blender? can someone send me something so i can scale the plant against it?
[url=http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=render1on8.jpg][img]http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4885/render1on8.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:51 am

[edit]
never mind, i opened the mesh ^_^ 2088 tris, 1044 faces... looks pretty nice too... but it is kinda high above the count.

BTW. tris aren't bad. especially not in games. 99% of games need tris to run. unless you are animating, that doesnt matter much. Tris help lower the polycount, so you should make use of that. tris are your friend!

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:06 am

joopson thats your 3rd edit.
i hate tri's they cant work with me properly and they messy, how can they lower polycount if you need 2 tris to make a square

EDIT i just looked at the nif more and found all they faces have turned to triangles CRAP!!!

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:11 am

I've uploaded the file to the top of the claim. In the future could you take advantage of that? It is there for that purpose, and is more secure than uploading in a post. Also, don't neglect the percentage buttons!

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:22 am

the nif automatically converts to tris because morrowind and oblivion cannot render quads.

as to the lower polycount thing, thats mainly when you want to make a triangle shape (like the bottom of your flower-ish areas), you are adding an extra face when you convert to tris. (that may or may not make much sense, so sorry

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aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:33 pm

Polycount is good, IIRC. Because it is for oblivion. Could you make the flower even more yellow?

Because that's the dominating color in Helkori.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:46 pm

ok i have reduced the polys to 1206 TRIANGLES and changed the flower to be a bit more yellow i dont know if it is yellow engough though. i uploaded it to the top part of the claim. when everyone else views it in nifskope is it really dark?
[url=http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=render2jk3.jpg][img]http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/165/render2jk3.th.jpg[/img][/url]