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Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:06 am

Argg texturing anoys me but i had a go at the cloth and gave the rings a metal texture
i tried to make the cloth look dirty and old but it looks more like i drew on it with textas
its not applying the textures that is hard for me its making them
could someone please help me with these textures
[url=http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clothhandlebn7.jpg][img]http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/56/clothhandlebn7.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:29 am

Im not sure about that type of texture for the lower thing... shouldnt it just be bone? The rings look okay to me now though. But if you want me to help with the textures, just post the mesh and textures and I will make the "base" of the texture, and then you can finish it, becouse I think its good that you also improve your texturing.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:22 pm

It is always good to upload wip files if you want some help

BTW, my computer just died suddenly yesterday. Now I just only hope it's only the power supply. I'm working on that now, because I can't even acces my HDD.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:41 pm

here you go
the texture is 1024x1024 because i find it easier to work on large textures then make them smaller when im finished

@aro101 thats no good but how did you write that

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:07 am

Like I said, I can't access my hdd and I can't use nifskope on this machine. So I just hope somebody else can advice you something atm

I hope to get a new power supply tomorrow and if it's only the power supply, everything will be working just fine tomorrow.

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:32 am

I will be able to give a try on that texture this evening. I would like to do it right now, but unfortunately Im not home ATM.

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:59 pm

I made a little start on the other textures, I just post the textures and the .blend file (you do have Blender dont you?). you only need to fix the texture paths. Just try to improve the textures a bit, becouse they are still WIP.
[img]http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/jellew/Retexture1wip.jpg[/img]

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:49 am

oy. i think the bone texture is OK either way. all that it needs are the carvings.

the hilt needs to probably be wraped with leather or something, having it just be plain cloth dosent look realistic at all. best of all, go download the dunedweler dagger texture and adapt it to this mesh. since they are from the same set it would only make sence.

as fopr the bottom part, it should just be cloth. something a bit more colorfull then the drab brown imho, but still worn. my basic illustration (the color should be different)
[url=http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=40074452yq0.jpg][img]http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2782/40074452yq0.th.jpg[/img][/url]

after looking at these, i also think that the UV maps need adjusting. the UV map could take up much more space on the texture to alow for mode detail and stuff.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:53 am

thanks for that jellew i like handle but the bit on the bottom would be better as cloth imo like lady N said, also thats a better uv map of the bone

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atm im going a bit away from these 2 models and im making the ones fairwater made because i cannot open the ones he made in blender
the ones im makin look alot like fairwaters models tho and need better textures

heres the axe i like it

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this ones a large pic so you may need to click on the picture to make it full size unless your monitor is nice and big
[url=http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lutemothaxe1og2.jpg][img]http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2313/lutemothaxe1og2.th.jpg[/img][/url]

and the other side
[url=http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lutemothaxe2lt9.jpg][img]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4712/lutemothaxe2lt9.th.jpg[/img][/url]

and the other thing
[url=http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lutemothconcept3xu3.jpg][img]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3755/lutemothconcept3xu3.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:55 pm

nice! from what i can see the models and textures are good on these. all thats really lacking are those special textural details

i dont really like how the squigly thing runs acros the blade though, i think it makes it look less stable. i think the tribal paint details will compensate for it.

great work! feel free to post these (with or without texture updates) in the What are we up to threads

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:23 pm

The swirly things are actually parts of a skull. Like you can imagine, the skull is one of the toughests bones so it should be okay for these weapons. Using my archaeological background i can tell you that the skull is of an adult, around 30 years old.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:14 pm

using my observational background (looking at it now) i can tell you that its actualy the skull of a deer

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:28 pm

ahh thanks but is this for morrowind or oblivion

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:44 pm

lol, oblivion. you can essentialy asume that something is for oblivion around here, since morrowind stuff is pretty rare model wise.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:10 am

It's quite simple Fishcake. The first number in the name of this claim is 8. That means, this claim is essentially for map 8. And map 8 is for oblivion

I think it's the stage on which you should convert the textures to dds and cool normalmaps and export the mesh into a nif and add a collision mesh. If you don't know how to do it, you can always ask us for some help, or read about it on the CS or niftools wiki.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:46 pm

@aro101 the textures arent finished yet so why convert them and also what is a normal map is it a bump map? if its a bump map i dont know how to make them. ive also never used collision but im learning. but i dont see why a weapon needs collision.

i added some little pins to the have so that the handle joins on the blade i dont know if its needed but someone said it looks like the blade is sitting on the handle
[url=http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=axewpinsfk6.jpg][img]http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7192/axewpinsfk6.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:04 pm

a weapon dosent need colision as much as it needs havok. thats the real trick

a normal map is a combination of a bump map and several other things. it creates the illusion of depth without using up extra polygons. you can make one by modeling a high poly version of the mesh and then converting that over somehow, but i have no idea as to how to do that. the more common way it to generate them through photoshop along with the texture (there is a plugin for it)

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:01 am

You can add a collision mesh in nifskope. Basically it is all about exporting your current mesh and textures into an proper format and then it's some copy & paste work. Wait, let me link you some wiki... http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/Working_With_Nifs_101_:_An_Introduction
I recommend you reading all the working with nifs articles. Normalmaps also aren't that difficult. All you need is a right plugin for gimp, or photoshop. It will let you generate a basic normalmap from the texture you already have.

Lady N, the technique you are talking about is aviable in my 3dsmax. I even have a tutorial for it on my hdd... All you do, is create a high poly and low poly mesh and then... And then I never reached that step

But it can't be that difficult. Propably a matter of giving few tries to it. Just like everything as far as modelling is concerned.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:39 pm

probably. that would be a really cool thing to do, any chance you could PM that tut over to me (or just post it)?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:46 am

I see what I can do when I'll have my 3dsmax installed again. Because this tutorial is contained in reference files for my appliciation

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:01 am

yeah sry dudes you can take this claim off me if you want adn give it to some1 else to finish

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:51 pm

Oh... So you're not willing to finish up this one? All it needs is now converting(to the dds format) and renaming textures, generating some normalmaps. And then it is time to play around in nifskope a bit by searching for a fitting collision mesh and replacing some meshes.

If you're not interested in that, let me know what kind of stuff would you like to make, and I'll find something that will give you some pleasure

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:39 pm

I gave a touch on this. It needs a lot of work. Pay more attention to what you do Fishcake please. I recommend you to download the OoT to see how it should be done. I have converted the textures(renamed and rescaled too) to the dds format and put them into the right folder. Besides, you exported the meshes using settings for morrowind. This set still needs a lot of work, I might be back on it later, or someone else will take care of this. Thanks.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:44 pm

This is not TR quality. Besides making it work proper, this weapons need to be improved. They need more detail. Right now, the concepts are more detailed than this work. Fishcake, are you willing to improve it?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:46 pm

I guess not, revoke.

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:14 am

i will claim this again. and again i will remake these very crap models and textures again like i did with my plant. so long as i dont have to make havok. (i really dont even know what havok is or how to make it)

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:22 am

Granted. Enjoy!

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:44 pm

Adding havok is easy and it can be done by someone else, because you don't have oblivion. Good luck with the claim

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:34 am

just so you know i havetn gone again, im just doing assignment that is large and due in less then a week

so i have done nothing on this weapons yet

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:16 am

i found some time:
heres the first one made and with a very basic texture. it has 1046 triangles and i generated a normal map:
[url=http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=render1nq6.jpg][img]http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1754/render1nq6.th.jpg[/img][/url]

[EDIT] shit! i dont think were going to get a new computer now anymore

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:56 am

Looking good so far

Try adding some detail to the handle. like cutting in some shapes for example. Wrapping around a rope (which is a softer material than wood), should work very well with this.

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:05 pm

sorry for mentioning this so late, but the weapon to the far right in the concept always struck me as more of a club shape, not a blade...

Fishcake · Post by **Fishcake** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:21 am

this handle grip is pretty crappy so i uploaded it and with the texture that has no handle grip also. so if someone wants to make a handel grip they can.
btw did i name the textures correctly? and are normal maps meant to show up in nifskope??. oops the file is large now a take a while to upload so i upload the file later. check back later for the file

[edit] [url]http://boxstr.com/files/1899181_29zaz/Weapon%201.zip[/url]
[url=http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=render2zl8.jpg][img]http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4483/render2zl8.th.jpg[/img][/url]

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:04 am

You can make the handle grip. I'm sure you're able to. Just give one more try to it

And the dds files are so big, because you didn't use any conversion on it while saving. While it should be DXT3 for textures with alpha channels and DXT1 for textures without an alpha channel.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun May 04, 2008 12:48 pm

Locking. We do not need or want this.