Goldmoor LC

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:32 am

so both sides should match up to 01? or 03 for the other one.

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:44 am

Well, I think a more timesaving option would be to model a wooden beam to go down the sides, connecting all the other beams.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:54 am

It would be timesaving, but just as odd as this tiling. Unless you can find a logical reason for adding such beams. Yeh LN, just take a look at this and you will know what it is all about.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:32 pm

Gah, double post. This time I think it's the LC01... or 02. I can't recall

Anyway. Let's all think about what texture we want for the roof floors.
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Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:33 pm

Ok some comments on the last couple of updates.

1, What is the lines going into all the openings in the building?

2, I dont like that brick texture, looks too much like the brick we use in our modern society. Perhaps stretching the texture out so the bricks becomes thicker. Not standard IRL size.

3, The parapet will have stuco when finished I presume.

4, Chimney???

Sorry for the harsh tone.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:53 pm

Don't worry about the lines, it's just the nature of 3dmax renders and the smoothing the building use. That will not be visible ingame.

That brick texture was an early WIP that I got from lady N just to throw some uvw mappings on the meshes. But yeh, thanks for the suggestion, I'll keep 'em in mind.

Chimney? I can add some. As a modular perhaps. Yes, a modular. You want that kind of chimney that Andvary made, or do you have a different vision of them?

No problems, I'm always open for suggestions

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:16 pm

I've taken the time to separate the brick texture from the plaster, and upload the file in .psd format. The file is now divided into two layers allowing you to test a variety of brick types. Inside the .rar i've included a stone photo that fits fairly well with the plaster. I've reduced the size of the photo to match the scale I used in the texture, but if you'd like an ultra high quality version just send me a PM.

Let me know what you think. If you like it I'll start adding depth and shadowing to the plaster/brick edges. If the current worn-looking brick is not suitable, just make a new layer in photoshop and start testing other stone/brick textures.

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:39 am

Hey I reckon there should be clothes lines inbetween LC buildings in the slums of Rihad and others. They'd be easy to mod as a modular but (probably) hard to add havok?

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:07 am

You guys are awesome. I don't say that enough.

When I left there were just a lot of dreams and drawings.

You guys give me wood. Not gonna lie.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:43 pm

havok for the clothes themselves can probably use the havok of street signs... a bit off but should work. i think clothe lines are a great way to add that slum look

thanks sload

it means a lot comming from you.

El Scumbago · Post by **El Scumbago** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:24 pm

Sload's gone positive. I think I'll post and second LadyN's thanks. It means quite a lot, indeed.

Post by **Haplo** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:12 pm

El Scumbago wrote:Sload's gone positive. I think I'll post and second LadyN's thanks. It means quite a lot, indeed.

WIP Files?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:48 pm

We got WIPs! Me and Lady N are still working on this simultaneously. These are the latest WIPs. To my surprise, these "lines" were visible ingame, that's easy to fix though

Keep also in mind, that the power of this design will come with the normal maps, so when we're going to generate them, that's going to add a lot awesomeness.
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meshes:

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:21 pm

Very good! They look believable and the are close enough to the middle class in style.

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:28 am

Exellent work you two! I looked at those screens and got surprised. The public would love screenies like this

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:00 am

Its nice to see these in the game. Great work

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:19 am

Great! This really is the bomb.
When I see these I only have one thing that bothers me, and it has been for a while. But I wanted to wait and see if I was bothered with it when I saw some accual screens. I was.

The horizontal beams that goes along side the buildings. Change it to a stuco texture. Should not be too hard to fix.
Then also perhaps remove that same horizontal line on the balcony. Looks odd somehow.

Besides that these look awesome.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:28 am

Yay. Sure Elfane, such a change is really easy to apply (wood to stucco.) And the balcony shouldn't also be that hard. Stay sharp, I'll show few more LCs soon(I have to make two more houses and finish up some work for these).

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:22 pm

I was working on the LCs a bit. The material properties are still not satisfying for me, though, I tought I'll show you some testing screens.
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Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:22 am

Nice work there. I won't say any critiques since you said its only WIP screenies

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:23 pm

um, thats actually probably the BEST time to say them

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:07 pm

I'm not too sure about the parapets being just brick. But whatever.

BTW: They look good, and will be excellent when finished

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:30 pm

looking awesome

. I only see a small texture seam at the second pic.

Jedak · Post by **Jedak** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:37 am

I meant the weird little mesh things, like on the arch not seeming to connect very well, but that is probubly just me.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:17 am

Jellew, that looks so because one of the textures must be refined a bit, I'll take care of that.
The biggest issue is still the shinyness, though I have also made some improvements to the mapping

And to the meshes as well.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:40 pm

A small update. I really would to finish this, but it still does not satisfy me

The new issue is, I can't get a good mapping with the current parapet texture and mesh. It's just impossible. I mean it's almost good, but there will always be some parts on which the player would notice an unnatural look.
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This is what I can do about it (Cutting the current mesh into parts and putting plasters won't help in this case.)

1. I like this one, especially if I would extend those column like boxes to the bottom. Problem is this don't really fit they way we want to go with this set.
2. Throwing a tileable texture onto it would solve all the mapping difficulties. I could just use a texture simallar to the one on the walls here, this stucco is odd here

3. Putting a wooden plank on the bricks. this also solves all the problems. Problem is, once again we would add wood to something that shouldn't use too much of it(throwing stucco on the floor could bring back the balance).

Lady Nerevar has send to me a door texture. Take a look.
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Looking good, though, they don't actually fit into the color scheme, If we could go with more gray/blue and less brown it would be perfect.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:08 pm

just a note on the door, i scaled it to .88 to fit better into the doorjamb. i dont know what value it would convert too after the scaling down needed to make it normal hight (its curently twice as big as a normal door)

for the strip acors the building i used my wood texture. it looks quite good and helps to tie in the upper floor texture. not sure if thats what you ment my paraphet.

Post by **Haplo** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:34 pm

I really think it needs a border around the edges on the texture; I really am vehemently against it as it is.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:37 pm

Noes N, I meant the extendings of the walls that goes above first floor and doesn't let the player fall of the roof floor. Balconies. That's the issue, I'm not sure with which if the 3 ways I showed to go.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:52 pm

its does have a border haplo, but its not seen on the screens because its covered by the building mesh. hence the resize comment.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:09 am

Here you go. 0.88 scale(should be moved a bit more to the right

)
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Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:34 am

Why don't we create a texture that fits perfectly to the door mesh?.. assuming the door mesh actually fits the door jamb. I'm willing to help.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:12 am

I was thinking about the same... Here you go, that's all you propably need to give a try.

BTW, I just got rid of all the annyoing shinyness. I'm still trying to make the normalmaps even better.
And now that I think of it, the textures itself might need a bit refining. I'll talk to you about that, Lady N, when I'll catch you online.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:29 am

really, im pissed at this texture. its not working at all now that i look at it with a fresh mind. i would go with some simple, vertical planks that go up and down. kinda like my original texture. infact, i think i have something that would work really well in my personal galery (just have to find where its saved too...

)

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:36 am

Thanks Aro. I should have lots of time to work on it tomorrow. I may need to change the UV mapping on the door. If that is the case, I will re-upload it in .obj format. Hopefully I won't have to.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:15 am

I've got the door jamb modelled, UV mapped, and I'm about 45% done on the texture. I'm using LadyN's door photo as a base.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:07 am

Great, can't wait to see what you have done with it

I have improved the normalmaps for this set while doing other Goldmoor textures, and I think they're final now, so I need only a replacement for the brick texture, because it is a bit unuseful.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:49 am

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Here is a work-in-progress screenshot of the door. It's a very simple design, because it's supposed to be lower class. The whole door jamb model will fit inside of the current door space of the LC building meshes. In my screenshot you can see an untextured model surrounding the door... this is the door section of an LC mesh.

I still need to finish the top section of the wooden door and add the proper details and shading.

Do i need to have a door knob or handle on the texture, like the Anvil buildings?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:33 pm

Interesting, nice

I'm all for it. As for the door knob, you don't have to. Some additional polies on the door won't hurt this building, though it still should keep a simple shape of course.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:18 pm

fits the whole desing a lot better. 's all good