Advertising TR - The Thread

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:27 pm

Ok people, Elfane and other of us who visit IRC agreed that TR needs to be advertised more (to attract modelers mainly, from my point of view.). So, discuss it.
Where can we advertise ourselves?
How to show how cool we are, so that people will think "omg, TR, thiz iz awezum, I want join!"?

We have already started working on it. Elfane registered a devaintart TR account. http://tamriel-rebuilt.deviantart.com/
What it needs is 3d graphics and concept art. So, dear CAs, do we have your permission to upload your arts there?

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:43 pm

Ok, we need a text for the frontpage of the deviantart page. A text that explains what we are and what we want.
Anyone with a skill for that or does that text accually already exist???

Anyhow, here is the userinfo for the deviantart account

user - Tamriel-Rebuilt
pass - hammerfell

Please only add things that are good as hell or at least not to shabby. I did'nt wanto add any other concepts than mine since people are rather territorial about art.
Niether did I add any MW screens. Mostly because I dont know where the screen was taken or from what map.

Please feel free to eloborate the description of the upload.

edit - and make sure you add alot of keywords to the searchwords. To ensure as many hits as possible.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:13 pm

i think we should get ourselves known on the big sites (conceptart.org, cgsociety.org, etc.). those sites not only get an amazing amount of trafic but also have a great amount of people who are either really good or pretty good at what they are doing. recruiting at such big sites needs to be done in a VERY profesional maner though me thinks.

as an example, ill use ca.org since i frequant it much more often. we could start a team thread and all of us CAs could upload the best pieces there. not only would we get cretiques and improve our own technique but we would also draw great attention to our team. [url=http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108591]here is an example of what kind of thread i mean[/url]. showing people that we are a team and a dedicated one at that will get us people. While some people at those sites dont know about oblivion, a quick search shows that a great many do.

Also, i think release threads should be made on more forums besides the obvious BSF. once we get the final stirk or any other relz we should anouce it on lots of TES related sites. other major PR stunts, and i mean major, should also be placed on a variety of sites.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:48 pm

On way to attract concept artists is to host a 'Weekly Sketch Group'... it worked before.

As for advertising, there really must be some quality controls. Never post pictures of unfinished or untextured models, no screenshots from the construction set, and only quality concept art which has been cleaned in photoshop. People won't take TR seriously otherwise.

Post by **Haplo** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:21 pm

Morden wrote:On way to attract concept artists is to host a 'Weekly Sketch Group'... it worked before.

As for advertising, there really must be some quality controls. Never post pictures of unfinished or untextured models, no screenshots from the construction set, and only quality concept art which has been cleaned in photoshop. People won't take TR seriously otherwise.

Screenshots from the construction set may be allowed under certain circumstances. (Picture the wire frame pictures by Bethesda) However they will certainly be .001% of the eye candy, if we have any of them.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:38 pm

We need some kind of short text that could be below each of the images. This should VERY short state that TR is a modding community & that we want their help making this shit even more awesomesauce.

Also if you have the brains for it please drop in on the account and write better texts for the images or post the text here and I will add them when I can.

BTW right now TR recides in the Vatican City. It was either that or the X-mas islands.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:17 am

Just to let you know, I'm still not satisfied with the size of the modelling team. As soon as we will get some more stuff done, I want to make another video teaser for Goldmoor. And I'm willing to do some advertising in 3d graphics communities for us with the new year. I also asked the official polish Oblivion site. - oblivion.pl if they would be interested in uploading our mods on their site (because they have a database of english mods as well) and they said ok. So as soon as we will make a new release, I can deal with them to make us a bit more popular in the eastern europe

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:46 pm

im hoping to do some more pimpage as well over the comming weeks.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:49 pm

I am just here to report on the TR account on Deviant Art.'
We have got some favourites and some friends, and we are getting a few views per day. Though we could need an update, so I ask you (hint to especially to Aro). I will upload the daedras tonight.

And also I wanted to show you these pics. Just for fun.

http://raven8dragon.deviantart.com/art/Dagoth-Ur-REBIRTH-39822607

http://theminttu.deviantart.com/art/Oblivion-Boys-Night-Out-59018752

http://alvirdimus.deviantart.com/art/Morrowind-Tarot-0-The-Fool-72789237

The last one is a part of a MW tarot deck, very nice.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:36 pm

the chick that did the first one has lots of her work up on the beth blog. i love her style

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:28 pm

Looks like Ur's really in touch with his feminine side...

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:54 pm

Hmm, sure elfane

I just finished updating our page a bit, so now I can move to advertise us on others

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:29 pm

About the update, it is great that you did it but some of it sucks.

I did'nt want to say this in the puplic forum so I say it here, it is a PR thing afterall.

1, the editing you have done is not really high quality, some of the lineart have been f*cked up. This should be fixed.

2, The quality of the pictures itself. I am the first to admit that some of my pics that is on the mainpage really is crap. i.e the windmill & the bridge you put up.

To attract new members we need pics that they would be excited about. Not some crappy 5 min sketch of a windmill.
I say we need some quality control.

My suggestion is that the core or ppl that the core can trust should have a meeting on mIRC or something similar and have a selection process. That also goes for the old CA that is on the main page ( or particulary those )

Only pics tha make ppl go "Wow, I need to see that ingame" should be there.

Sorry for the harsh words, nothing personal and you know it. Just want some quality control thats it.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:20 am

That's absolutely no problem. I was just overwhelmed by all that CA, and I guess I was trying to be a bit too fast, sorry. Still, I spend surely over 10 hours for this. Some quality check and improvement will be easier now. Lady Nerevar already gave me so hints for improving too. Thanks Elfane. I'll try to get on that tomorrow and I don't think that any kind of meeting is needed this time. It's not really so big, and it can be done faster by one person just asking from time to time others for opinion.

Edit: Yeah, it's gonna be easy IMHO. Give me another opinion on the gallery on monday, if you will be able to.

Edit2: nah, I won't make it till monday :/

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:51 pm

Aro had some help, although my help was marginal. He asked us if we wanted certain pictures to be in the concept art, and almost all my requests were added. I think not many people share your vision of crappy pictures, elfane. That would require an artists gaze.

Bloodthirsty Crustacean · Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:27 pm

Well, I looked through all the CA on the sections linked to by Aros' post, and they all looked awesome to me. Particularly the armours. If we get that stuff in game looking like the CA, well, it'll be uber-cool.

Lud · Post by **Lud** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:48 pm

Ok, I've got a new rake of map2 screeenshots based off the latest merge. If people are cool with it, I'll post these up on the ESF thread tomorrow.

theviking · Post by **theviking** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:11 pm

No problem, they look. really cool. I had the raging river as my desktop background for a few weeks in the past.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:50 pm

they are great, but make sure to upload jpgs (not bmps)

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:10 pm

If you upload them on imageshack, they get automatically converted to PNG.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:36 pm

Imageshack is meh. It is slow and uses indirect image links with the thumbnails code.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:41 pm

They also give hotlink code.

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:02 pm

Imageshack has always been blazing fast for me... and it doesn't always convert to .png... if you want that don't you have to choose that? All my imageshack files ever have always been .jpg

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:10 pm

Haplo wrote:Imageshack has always been blazing fast for me... and it doesn't always convert to .png... if you want that don't you have to choose that? All my imageshack files ever have always been .jpg

If you upload BMP it's automatically converted to PNG. If you upload a format that's already compressed (GIF, JPG, PNG), it stays as it is.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:58 am

"Open Plain" has a vertex shading error front and center... those rocks.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:58 am

Proposal:

The creation of particular in character lore tidbits for posting in the lore forum alongside artistic depictions of our Hammerfell.

Ultimate goal would be that our Hammerfell would be accepted as monkeytruth and we would be considered exemplary in our lore, "exactly how BethSoft would have made it," both for being good (which some actual fan-to-lore - I'm looking at you Loranna's RP - is not) and for our having been introduced to them not as a mod but as lore.

That is, through the use of in-character posts to TESF lore, making our lore accepted as "real" by most of those lorumite pricks.

Post by **Gnomey** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:03 pm

By the way, the file with "bridge" in the title should probably not go in; the bridge caspers a bit.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:44 pm

on the topic of RP's, how about organising a hammerfell RP? get a few people who are influencial in the comunity (ada, prow), a few that really know their stuff (sload, lute) and some official endorsement (MK) and do something grand. i personaly think that the great warior wave and the conquest of hammerfell is the perfect era -- not only is it action packed it also gives us a lot of posibility to cram in history and culture at its source.

however, im not sure that this is probable. or for that matter wheather its a good idea.

i agree with sload fully. some kind of incharacter thing would PWN -- maybe a diary or journal of an adventurer traveling through hammerfell. there is SO much potential here~!

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:47 am

Sounds like a great idea for a collaborative writing project, from our writing department.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:51 pm

Tamriel Rebuilts account at DA have now about 500 views, something that should be celebrated. We have gotten some comments, some questions and cred. We should though update the account with some news. So if you happend to get a GOOD screenshot, post it and I will put it on the account.

In the meanwhile you could drop my my own DA account, as I now got my thumb out of my ass and uploaded some personal stuff.

http://elfane.deviantart.com/

Hillbilly Man · Post by **Hillbilly Man** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:00 am

Everyone loves Dwemer Ruins and if you want to get the people exicted that would definantly do it. At Planet Elder Scroll Forums there are entire topics about how much people miss the dwarves. They way I found TR was I was looking for a decent morrowind mainland mod. I found silgrad towers and was dissapointed and eventually after enough searching I found TR and after playing it for 10 minutes I knew it was the best mod I've ever seen. It made me feel like I was playing an official expansion pack. If people knew what TR was working on they would join in an instant.

The idea of ruins in oblivion is just plain AWESOME!! ::))

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:13 am

Lady Nerevar wrote:on the topic of RP's, how about organising a hammerfell RP? get a few people who are influencial in the comunity (ada, prow), a few that really know their stuff (sload, lute) and some official endorsement (MK) and do something grand. i personaly think that the great warior wave and the conquest of hammerfell is the perfect era -- not only is it action packed it also gives us a lot of posibility to cram in history and culture at its source.

Most people who RP are retarded. I'm not allowed at the best place for it (TESF), and I wouldn't be willing to participate in it anyway. No way MK is endorsing it.

Zalzidrax · Post by **Zalzidrax** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:00 am

Well it's not like we don't have our own forum here...

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:34 am

Yeah, because we definitely should pull a marketing stunt on our forum. I think I'll post a few ads for TR in the showcase too.

TheGooch · Post by **TheGooch** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:14 am

you guys (*nudge admins*) should send emails to all of the peoples who host all of the *big* and small sites and ask for advertising spots. like banners and stuff that has links to the main page. also have really well written stuff in the "profiles" of the pages like Planet TES and teh like.

I would even ask hehe Beth if they could adda small link on the main forums or even the main site. coz this project is pretty darn big. any sort of link to this site from any site that remotely has TES stuff on it should be contacted.

Including Youtube. More = Best

ATM the member count is 1800ish with proper advertising we could get heaps of interest generated and get that to 3k+ easy(and quickly).

if some artists could make some wicked banners that would be good. for this site and others

//I know its a long shot with beth, but its worth a try.
When they are making Tes5 i bet the providence won't be Hammerfell. (ie; coz we are doing it)

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:10 am

TheGooch wrote://I know its a long shot with beth, but its worth a try.
When they are making Tes5 i bet the providence won't be Hammerfell. (ie; coz we are doing it)

More probably, the province they'll make won't be Hammerfell because they haven't registered the Hammerfell trademark.

Theo · Post by **Theo** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:49 pm

I do also think a TR main page needs a serious update, if not overhaul. It is the first impression of TR newcomers get. My suggestions:

1) We need new videos and we need big variety of them (Towns/Wilderness/Interiors/Some in-game action featuring expolration of nice locations and fighting new monsters. Possibly something of the quests under preparation could be unrevealed in this way, like some introduction to what is going on map 1 and what stance can player take...)
The only video accessible directly from the mainpage is the VEEEERY outdated intro (featuring so much beloved Pyramid of Necrom and Dres houses).
2) The concept art should be sorted more. There are only few random categories, bringing together different concepts. There should be some prior categories like Oblivion/Morrowind - Architecture/objects/creatures/flora. Houses/regions etc. and the artist should work systematically on filling the,
3) Screens are OK, but should be described more and actualized more frequently. It would be absolutely superb if we could feature an interactive map (some updates on maps are needed too). User could click some highlighted locations on them map get screens from that area or descriptions of lore created for that place. That would make an absolutely immerse and fascinating impression of consistent and fully sketched out world coming alive.
4) Literature and music could also be presented as much as many more TR models. There are pretty big reserves in terms of what is presented of the Oblivion part of the project.
5) Some statistics about progress of both projects (although probably mostly inaccurate) would also give impression that the project is living and is evolving in time.

As I am not the one who will implement any changes I can come up with many more sci-fi ideas if you wish, but this is enough for so far, I believe. The whole idea would be that the main page would already present TR as living project, which brings together all those aspects to create a complex world.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:24 pm

ATM the member count is 1800ish with proper advertising we could get heaps of interest generated and get that to 3k+ easy(and quickly).

member count means nothing. we regularly clean out our member databases, the actual number of accounts is something over 6k.

I would even ask hehe Beth if they could adda small link on the main forums or even the main site.

they have had a link for years (its how i found this project). however, anything more open then a link and the occasional approval plug of our leetsawce ideas, is highly improbable (as sload said)

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:51 pm

By the way, I've kinda translated your Goldmoor thread over at [url=http://forum.wiwiland.net/index.php?showtopic=42722]the biggest French TES community's forum[/url]. (Yeah, I'm not named Gez there. That's 'cause I've stolen my little brother's account to do this.)

Of course, the result was that somebody immediately bit my nose with the whole boring whining about "Hammerfell sucks I want you to do Morrowind again"... Bunch of ingrates.

Anyway. That's done. I just have to keep in mind to update it when there are updates on the Bethsoft forum thread.

Macar · Post by **Macar** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:14 pm

Theo has spoken the truth. The website has been "about to be overhauled" since I joined this project

More videos, music, model shots and such would be great.

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