Hammerfellian Mages Guilds

Rhymer · Post by **Rhymer** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:39 pm

Hello. I’m sorry for my prolonged absence: my work left me no time for anything else. But finally I’ve managed to find a spare minute to recollect the wonderful game called REDGUARD. The Mages Guild of Stros M’Kai draw my particular attention: the matter is that it is very unlike the Mages Guild of Sentinel. While in Sentinel it was a big, magnificent and completely foreign building (I mean that it was built in style of High Rock architecture), the Mages Guild of Stros M’Kai is much smaller. It looks more like a shop than like a place of studying arcane mysterys. Although it is still typically bretonic building some traces of Hammerfellian style can be found. E.g., while the whole building is made of classical green boulders, the towers are made of local red granite and limestone. The shape of the roof of the Guild master’s room is completely Hammerfellian. So, I’ve made this sketch and I’m going to draw the MG of Sentinel in a day or so. If you have any ideas concerning Guild halls of MGs in Hammerfell, please tell me, and I’ll try to make sketches and models.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:09 am

This is VERY useful Rhymer. I'd love to see the Sentinel MG.

Rhymer · Post by **Rhymer** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:10 pm

This is the MG of Sentinel as it was represented in TES2: DAGGERFALL. The building is designed in the bretonic style with its strict lines and green stones. It could be easily found among the buildings of Hammerfelian style, and not only due to its size but also due to the impression it makes. It is completely alien to the culture of redguards, though the guild has a significant influence in Sentinel.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:37 pm

I think the Oblivion Anvil Mages Guild is what Bethesda made out of the Redguard concept.

As for Sentinel, if I understand [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=16343&start=0]the first post in this thread[/url] correctly, the Mages Guild is not planned to be present in Sentinel at this time. Nonetheless, your concept could still be useful.

Do bear in mind that Redguard's meshes are MUCH lower in polycount than Oblivion's meshes. In order to make this a modelable concept, you may want to add more detail. (See El Scumbago's architecture for inspiration).

Also, what is inside the Guilds? Would you draw that?

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:54 pm

Harke the Apostle wrote:As for Sentinel, if I understand [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=16343&start=0]the first post in this thread[/url] correctly, the Mages Guild is not planned to be present in Sentinel at this time.

This would make me a sad panda.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:01 pm

Gez wrote: This would make me a sad panda.

Why? Do you wear emo eye-shadow?

Hammerfell already has those Unsung Yokuhi people, who follow in the footsteps of Makela Leki and Svelte Cecil.

Lutemoth · Post by **Lutemoth** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:05 am

I remember trying to make my way through that Mages guild in Sentinel. Confusing as hell, lemme tell you. Then again, anything's hard to navigate in close-quarter 2.5D. These are quite lovely, either way

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:09 am

Gez wrote:
Harke the Apostle wrote:As for Sentinel, if I understand [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/viewtopic.php?t=16343&start=0]the first post in this thread[/url] correctly, the Mages Guild is not planned to be present in Sentinel at this time.
This would make me a sad panda.

Me too. I'm not sure how Harke is interpreting that post, seeing as it doesn't say where the Mages Guild will be, but I'll end the suspense and tell you: Taneth, Rihad, Sentinel, Skaven, Stros M'kai, and Gilane.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:12 am

I think he was interpreting it as white on the table meaning it was opted out of the respective city.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:21 am

I imagine so, seeing as how that's what it means.

But wait, the Mage's Guild isn't on that table.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:38 am

The mages tab I mean. "Archaeology" and "Mage Warz"

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:25 am

I stand corrected.
[edit] and yes, Haplo, that was exactly what I meant.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:53 am

Haplo wrote:The mages tab I mean. "Archaeology" and "Mage Warz"

I'm aware. You'll notice, though, that in the lists above, these are both seperate from "Mage's Guild," and "Mage's Guild" itself is not on the chart, because it does not have quests.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:17 am

Lutemoth wrote:I remember trying to make my way through that Mages guild in Sentinel. Confusing as hell, lemme tell you. Then again, anything's hard to navigate in close-quarter 2.5D. These are quite lovely, either way

Pet peeve of mine: Daggerfall was not in 2.5D, but in full 3D. 2.5D is for things with a faked out 3D, like in good ol' Doom (2D map with elevations).

Some people argue that Daggerfall wasn't true 3D because it used sprites, but I dismiss this as uneducated and irrelevant.

What matters for 3D-ness is how it's managed by the engine. Oblivion uses sprites, too, and nobody's going around saying it's 2.5D.

Daggerfall was so 3D that its automap was in 3D too. Only other games I know with a 3D map for interiors was Descent and its sequels.

Rhymer · Post by **Rhymer** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:38 pm

This is a screenshot from REDGUARD. It shows you an interior of the MG of Stros M'Kai. Speaking about the function of MG on the isle I want to pay your particular attention to the fact that it plays very insignificant role here, namely: it sells poitions, spells and enchanted items, and it works on some special aspects of arcane arts. So, as Sload has already mentioned, it doesn't have any particular storyline or quest connected with it.

In a day or so I'll try to finish some interior sketches and a scheme of MG of Sentinel.

fanfas · Post by **fanfas** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:06 pm

Offtopic: How i miss this game... it was what introduced me to the elder scrols world...

Rhymer · Post by **Rhymer** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:34 pm

Here is a scheme of MG of Sentinel as I’ve promised. I also offer you some items such as a shelf with potions and stone lion’s head which is widely used in all the MGs of western provinces as a decoration. It also can be used as a chandelier or a lamp if you decide to put a candle inside its mouth.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:20 am

Wow, nice. How about modelling some of these, or some of the claims that are aviable now?