[FCG] Dunedweller weapons & clutter

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:21 am

Yes, dunedweller weapons! They're crude, made of bones and stones, and leather and scavenged materials. They're often decorated with little gris-gris, knotted strings or feathers from some desert bird. They're made by dirt-poor Bedouin-like tribes of Redguard living in the great Alik'r and the barren Dak'fron deserts.

We've already got a few concepts from Lutemoth, and a finished model of a dagger. Let's see this turned into a full set. We need two or three more blades, a few short axes, some maces, maybe a small hammer. We also need a bow, arrows, and why not a shaman staff?

Lutemoth's concept weapons:
[url=http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9545/dunedwellerweapons7sx.jpg][img]http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9545/dunedwellerweapons7sx.th.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7671/bladehf8lh.jpg][img]http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7671/bladehf8lh.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Finished dagger:
[url=http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5537/dunedagger3ub.jpg][img]http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5537/dunedagger3ub.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Update: We're starting to have all the weapons we need, so the Dunedweller FCG is being generalized to clutter too.

Lutemoth's dunedweller concepts:
[url=http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1475/dunedweller22fx.jpg][img]http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1475/dunedweller22fx.th.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2666/dunedweller4ov.jpg][img]http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2666/dunedweller4ov.th.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2595/dunedwellerfull8sz.jpg][img]http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2595/dunedwellerfull8sz.th.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6329/dunedweller9oy.jpg][img]http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6329/dunedweller9oy.th.jpg[/img][/url]

The models so far:
Obagovo's axe-machete:
[url=http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunedwelleraxegk0.jpg][img]http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1541/dunedwelleraxegk0.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Lighter's stuff:
[url=http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8876/dunedwellerweaponscopyix9.png][img]http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8876/dunedwellerweaponscopyix9.th.png[/img][/url] [url=http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunedwellerweapons4uo7.png][img]http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7390/dunedwellerweapons4uo7.th.png[/img][/url] [url=http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunedwellerweapons3bw5.png][img]http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5049/dunedwellerweapons3bw5.th.png[/img][/url] [url=http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunedwellerclutter2bs1.png][img]http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3392/dunedwellerclutter2bs1.th.png[/img][/url] [url=http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunedwellerclutter3zz6.png][img]http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/9278/dunedwellerclutter3zz6.th.png[/img][/url] [url=http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunedwellerhome1xj3.png][img]http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/463/dunedwellerhome1xj3.th.png[/img][/url]
Elfane's stuff:
[url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/CA/duneweapnshield.png][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/CA/th_duneweapnshield.png[/img][/url] [url=http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunecollectiondd2.png][img]http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7366/dunecollectiondd2.th.png[/img][/url]

Nemon's ornate urn:
[url=http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=downloadue1.jpg][img]http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9464/downloadue1.th.jpg[/img][/url]

There should be enough art to make all the models we'll need in the Dunedweller items category. Tents (ints and exts), clothing, armor, and camel saddles are still needed; but that can wait, so for now this thread will not be considered priority anymore and is therefore unstickied.

Though feel free to add more if so you want, of course.

Blood Lord Marlech · Post by **Blood Lord Marlech** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:34 am

Ooh, very nice. May I inquire as to what program you model with?

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:42 am

The dagger? I think it was Morden who made it, with 3DSMax. (I personally use Blender 'cuz it's free, but I'm a complete noob at modeling so you won't see my stuff anywhere. I'm only skilled enough to modify meshes made by others.)

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:50 am

Morden uses blender too

And hey, a shaman staff would be awesome.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:57 am

Those blades are great!,
but will the Dunedwellers be only in the desert or in Goldmoor to?[/img]

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:59 am

Dunedwellers dwell in dunes.

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:37 pm

Sweet. I'll be back this afternoon with stuff.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:08 pm

Sweet. This is a great topic. The knife was actually modeled and textured by the mysterious Eyeball88 who lurks, but rarely posts. Although we co-operate on a lot of meshes, this one was all him. He models in 3dsMax.

I model in SoftImage|XSI, Blender, and Zbrush. So far i've modeled a short sword, two-handed sword, and a mace, but those are meant to be an old Yoku set. I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with for these nomads. I may have to submit a few concepts myself

Here are some inspiring dunedweller concepts from Lutemoth's thread:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1475/dunedweller22fx.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2595/dunedwellerfull8sz.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2666/dunedweller4ov.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/6329/dunedweller9oy.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7671/bladehf8lh.jpg

Obagovo · Post by **Obagovo** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:29 pm

Here's an idea I had of an ax:

[url=http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunedwelleraxegk0.jpg][img]http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1541/dunedwelleraxegk0.th.jpg[/img][/url]

NOW IN COLOR!

I get some more up later.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:59 pm

Cool. Looks more like a machete than an axe, I'd say.

This would fit very well with the dagger.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:08 pm

Very nice

How about an axe that is sharpened on both sides? (Can't find the right word :/)

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:21 pm

Here's what I've come up with so far. Thought I'd throw a few recognizable bones in with a few not so.

[url]http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunedwellerweaponscopyix9.png[/url]

TheGooch · Post by **TheGooch** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:31 pm

LTS, they are brilliant. love the bow, and the thigh bone hammer. the only one i dont really like is the "axe?" just to the right of the bow. but im sure all of these modeled would look just friggen briliant.

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:33 pm

I wasn't sure what to label it either lol. That one could use some refining. Its too much of a hybrid weapon.

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:47 pm

Those are impressive illustrations. Great ideas for primitive weapons. Could you please upload them at a higher resolution for future modeling and texturing purposes?

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:49 pm

Of course.

Here you go. Hope its large enough.
[url]http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs30/f/2008/119/d/4/dunedweller_weapons_by_Silvac.png[/url]

Obagovo · Post by **Obagovo** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:24 am

Awesome stuff LTS. One that I really liked was the bow. Keep it up.

Blood Lord Marlech · Post by **Blood Lord Marlech** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:28 am

Do I need permission to model concept art? And Good work LTS, very suited to the dunedwellers.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:25 am

Great, thumbs up & superb.
And I do like the second one from the left, the "axe?". Nifty idea to make the blade heavier with stones.
The only thing that bugs me a little bit is that when you look a these weapons primitive is a word that comes to me. Dunedwellers is not a primitive people, just practical. But it only bugs me a little bit.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:44 am

They're great! I like the bow and arrows the most.

The axe-thing is great, too; just the kind of things I had in mind.

Blood Lord Marlech wrote:Do I need permission to model concept art?

Everyone can contribute.

Elfane wrote:Dunedwellers is not a primitive people, just practical. But it only bugs me a little bit.

No, but they have limited means. They don't have the resources in their desert for smithing, so they get their metal items by trade rather than doing them themselves. It's easy to seem primitive when you don't have worked metal.

As for myself, I don't think these weapons look more primitive than the dagger. Maybe the bones could be carved and sculpted a bit more to look more worked, but as you said yourself, they're practical. To make a blunt weapon, you don't need to carve out a blade. So I think it's fine.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:58 am

Gez wrote: No, but they have limited means. They don't have the resources in their desert for smithing, so they get their metal items by trade rather than doing them themselves. It's easy to seem primitive when you don't have worked metal.

This I know, thats why it only bugged me a little bit. And by a little I mean a fraction of a %.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:28 am

Blood Lord Marlech wrote:Do I need permission to model concept art?

Be sure to start a showcase after you do some modelling with TR concepts. I'm always looking for new modellers

LTS, you are great. That's exactly the type of concepts we need. Detailed, precise, clear, interesting. I like the idea of the skulls mace. My suggestion is to make the handle a bit more longer, because the way it is now, this weapon would be very heavy while having still a very short range. How about a staff?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:51 am

I'm double posting, because Elfane has asked me to post his concept. Isn't it great?

[url=http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/CA/duneweapnshield.png][img]http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x139/aruncio101/TR/CA/th_duneweapnshield.png[/img][/url]

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:54 am

Colaboration with posts

I had to give it a go also...

From the left...
2-handsword/cleaver

shield light version, a frame is made from strong bones. In the center a wicker construction that is hardend with a mix of some plant resin and saliva from a wierd desert creature. Then add som stylish and protective skins from your resent hunt and you have yourself a dunedweller shield

to the right, I know there is a name for that kind of weapon but I dont remeber it.

Nice to see an inflation in the CA section, without loosing any quality

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:20 pm

<Lady_N> i had an orgasm in school today when i saw Lighter's weapons

cause they are that awesome. i think between you (lighter) and elfane, we have all the dunedweller stuff we need. a staff would still be nice though

gez, will you be putting up claims? or does that fall to aro?

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:24 pm

We haven't made any decision about that, yet. There is no need to hurry with the weapons

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:25 pm

yes, thats true. just wonderin'

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:32 pm

Well, I wasn't going to put up claims since I assumed it fell within the jurisdiction of the God of Turn Pictures Into Models. I'm just the God of Make People Post Pictures. (And I love Redguard God names.)

And I do want to see a good shaman staff.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:39 pm

I cannot post screens yet, but I suggest a wooden staff with human skull on each side.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:48 pm

Human skulls is more what'd I expect of goblins or grummites. Not of dunedwellers. They aren't Tusken raiders or such, they're perfectly normal human beings who just happen to live in an inhospitable place.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:54 pm

Gez wrote:Human skulls is more what'd I expect of goblins or grummites. Not of dunedwellers. They aren't Tusken raiders or such, they're perfectly normal human beings who just happen to live in an inhospitable place.

Bbbut in Oot there is a mace called ''coral mace'' and I think that it is for Dunedwellers, and howewer there were bones and skulls on concepts of dunedweller weapons.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:06 pm

The coral mace is for stirk.
And the bones & skulls etc is'nt from humans, it's from animals.
One staff (without human skulls) is on it's way + some clutter & various dunedweller stuff.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:07 pm

Coral Mace for Dunedwellers? Where would they find coral in the desert sand? If it were for the Dunedwellers, it would be called Dunedweller Mace, wouldn't it? The Coral Mace is actually tied to a Stirk quest, and is completely unrelated with our Bedouin-like Redguards.

Edit: Ninja'ed by Elfane, so I confirm what he says.

Elfane wrote:One staff (without human skulls) is on it's way + some clutter & various dunedweller stuff.

Good news! I can't wait to see them. Nice touch to include clutter and misc. stuff, by the way.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:16 pm

Stirk quest? ooohhh I am sory, I learned of it from CS, never seen it in game; trough I have Stirk though.

lb003g0676 · Post by **lb003g0676** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:43 am

Elfane wrote:Great, thumbs up & superb.
And I do like the second one from the left, the "axe?". Nifty idea to make the blade heavier with stones.
The only thing that bugs me a little bit is that when you look a these weapons primitive is a word that comes to me. Dunedwellers is not a primitive people, just practical. But it only bugs me a little bit.

Totally Agreed.

And the Dundwellers would ideally like to embellish things a bit more I imagine, in terms of the bone. They are partial to a carving or two.

But I certainly think these are a few BEAUTIES of sketches.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:51 pm

[url=http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dunecollectiondd2.png][img]http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7366/dunecollectiondd2.th.png[/img][/url]

A small dunedweller collection and a very little bit of lore.
Dunedwellers is a nomadic people that travels the desert and are among the few that can live in the deepest of the desert and survive. They can find everything they need in this arid terrain. But sometimes they travel into the cities to trade some of their crafts, especially pottery and skinworks.
Thats the reason that you can find the duneclay all over HF.

The dunedweller also like hot and exotic spices. The buy/trade/steal/take any spice they can get their hands on. Since the food in the desert is'nt that variating the need for different tastes is huge. Hence the spice collecting.

edit - I dont like the staff that much, so perhaps I will make a new design for it

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:20 pm

I like the chili string. Could be a "fake flora" like the garlic cluster of vanilla Oblivion.

If the horns of the jug were pointing downward, they could serve as a handle.

Nice touch with the symbols.

Elfane · Post by **Elfane** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:14 pm

Yes, Gez the jug should have its horns pointing downwards. I realised this also when I scanned the thing but I was to lazy to change it. Everything take alot more time when working without a tablet.

And making the chili string a "fake flora" would be neat.

Thanks for the symbol cred, it's the one thing on that page I am the most proud over ;D

Morden · Post by **Morden** » Thu May 01, 2008 2:36 am

A very productive [FSG]. Thanks to all you artists. And Thanks to Gez for organizing and arranging thumbnails in the first post. It's very efficient.

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Thu May 01, 2008 3:38 am

Actually our FCGs might naturally turn back into WSGs someday...

I love you Elfane, like always. I want to give you all the camels of the whole world