[FCG] Hammerfell furniture #1: Bamboo+Wicker+Leather (LC)

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat May 17, 2008 8:57 am

Swords are neat and all, but it's time to develop things that are actually useful in the day-to-day urban life of an average NPC: so, furniture.

This first set is for the lower class. It's built around bamboo, which is used for armature, wicker, and leather.

The elements we need are as follow:

-One person bed
-Two person bed
-One person stool
-Three person bench
-One person chair
-Wall-mounted shelves
-Tables (one small, one long)
-Cupboards
-Bar set (may include a wooden or stone cutting board)

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:47 pm

Hey, since I can't actually draw I hope it's alright if I post pictures I find that might be conceptual.

Bamboo bed: http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11213962/Bamboo_Bed.jpg
Bamboo Stools and small table:
http://www.exbali.com/images/Bamboo_199.jpg
Another table:
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11215281/Bamboo_Bed_Side_Table.jpg
Single Chair:
http://www.cibart.org/konbac_imgs/konbac5.JPG
Long Table:
http://www.bandungtrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/sb016.jpg
Cupboard:
http://www.bandungtrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/sb013.jpg
Small Table:
http://www.worldofluxuryfurniture.net/img/wolf9.jpg
Another Single Chair:
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00EtQTUOgLoaBqM/Bamboo-Chair-XINGLI-BB204-.jpg
Bench:
http://bambooworld.com/images/bamboo%20loveseat.jpg
Bench/If enlarged can be a long table:
http://www.bambooworld.com/images/bamboo%20bench%20speckled.jpg
Another table/bench:
http://www.floridabamboo.com/images/uses2.jpg

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:56 pm

No problem, it may inspire our artists.

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:59 pm

Cool, because there's so much stuff out there it's crazy.

Bed/barset/chair/bench:
http://www.phetchaboonbamboo.com/%5Carchive%5C98%5Chome.jpg
Cabinet:
http://www.bestfurnituresource.com/bamboomedcabinet.jpg
Shelf:
http://www.bestfurnituresource.com/bamboolargeshelf.jpg
Table with chairs:
http://www.bestfurnituresource.com/BBtablechairset.jpg

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Sat May 17, 2008 3:01 pm

Be back later with other materials furn.
The stone furniture all have wood frames. Ex: The chair is wood and the seat top is stone.
[url=http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hammerfellintfurnnd8.png][img]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7802/hammerfellintfurnnd8.th.png[/img][/url]

Adamagia · Post by **Adamagia** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:07 pm

I can do any of that, though I am too vague about it, I have two pieces of wicker right here, but I am hardly a nomad or warrior.

I don't mean to complain or seem sarcastic, but it's a problem with no clear idea who will be using this furniture.

My question is what are the interior designs they will be paired with;

floor and wall furnishings - colors/styles accepted
floor and wall furnishings - "" preferred

material appearance, I mean those you are going to use.

Who do these people worship? What do they cherish. Have they symbols or animal friends they love? What is their (these sleepers and shelf owner's) environment?

Do you want texture samples with plain designs (and if so what size and format), varied wood piece samples, is there any metal involved, should I just make explained designs?

Whatever is good. If you can link me up I will put in some time, but reading all of Tamriel lore to find the answers isn't possible right now.

I will go back to Blender. Wow, this program is amazing, I can't believe it is free. I'll check back another time.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:15 pm

Who will be using those?

Everyone. The average, or below-average, Redguard commoner. Everyone who isn't a Dunedweller nor a upper-class/middle-class person. It's what you'll find in lower class houses and inns, in caves and shacks, maybe even outside in camps.

It'll be generic Hammerfell stuff. It's not specific to the Crowns or the Forebears, it's not specific to Ye Old Yoku Customs nor to modernized, imperialized life. It just is the stuff that you'll find laying around, the cheap furniture that people use when they can't afford better -- or don't want to.

Middle and upper class furniture will have their own FCGs soon. For now, lower class.

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:22 pm

Its generally Yoku inspired designs. Although not exactly. Drift just because of time. This first set of furniture is for commoners as well as the poor of Hammerfell in general. Furniture and containers are decorated with stylized symbols of their deities. A common design, looking at Lutemoth's work is the serpent as well as the bird goddess Tava who brought them to safety to Hammerfell from their destroyed home. Also simple patters, lines dots and snail curl shapes. Almost semi greek but not in style.

Adanorcil · Post by **Adanorcil** » Mon May 19, 2008 11:03 am

Lighter, just took a look at those concepts. I like them a lot. However, the square tables and the decorated chair to me seem quite ornate. I believe they might fit better in one one of the higher class FCGs, in which I would still absolutely love them.

The wicker stuff, however, is great. I particularly like the wicker version of the 1960s chair. My only problem would be with the table, of which the ceramic surface would be too large in diameter to be very solid. Normally, I'd reason that away with "Raga can make armor out of porcelain", but that seems like a stretch for such a mundane application.

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Mon May 19, 2008 3:25 pm

I modelled some stuff like this for a claim, following some of LN's concepts. The one person and two person beds were already almost completely finished, they only need some tweaking of the shinyness. They also have the good "sleeping" thingys to enable npc's to actually use it, and good textures. I also finished a cabinet.

IIRC aro had the idea to split the claims in a bamboo and wooden section, but unfortunately I lost the files myself since I made a stupid mistake with a linux-install. I would enjoy to see the work I put in those meshes won't be wasted.

If those files can still be used, I might have some of them backupped at an usb stick but I cant acces it ATM.

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Mon May 19, 2008 3:36 pm

I think for the sake of the thread that the irrelevant stuff should just be separated. Now to get us back to furniture.

A possible type of shelf (wicker):
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/10961947/Wicker_Furniture_Seagrass_CD_Rack_Or_DVD_Rack.jpg

Cupboard:
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/10961962/Wicker_Furniture_Home_Storage.jpg

Jelle · Post by **Jelle** » Mon May 19, 2008 3:48 pm

Well, if you implied I wasn't on topic, I think it would be good for the sake of the furniture to know it's actually already modelled. Anyway, I found the renders/screens again. Just see it as concept art if you want. (since it's not ingame and there is no modelling claim for it in essence it is
concept art.)

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/jellew/Oblivion2007-11-0223-09-03-48.jpg
[url=http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lccabinetnewtexturesai8.jpg][img]http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3351/lccabinetnewtexturesai8.th.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lcfurniturebamboowipff6.jpg][img]http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/237/lcfurniturebamboowipff6.th.jpg[/img][/url]

FLESH · Post by **FLESH** » Mon May 19, 2008 4:44 pm

No I was not referring to you Jellew. I meant the discussion about skin color. Awesome chair and bench, the texture on the cabinet seems a bit off to me (don't ask why, I'm weird

).

Joopson · Post by **Joopson** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:26 pm

i think the cabinet texture looks weird too.... is the lighting overblown in the middle there?

its way to contrasting at the moment...

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon May 19, 2008 6:00 pm

jellew wrote:I modelled some stuff like this for a claim, following some of LN's concepts. (...)

If those files can still be used, I might have some of them backupped at an usb stick but I cant acces it ATM.

Sorry, Jellew, but we do not need wooden LC furniture. Vanilla oblivion has enough of it. Your old LC claim is now locked. As soon, as our concept artists will finish designing this claim, we will have a look at your stuff, and we'll see what we can use from it.

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Mon May 19, 2008 7:32 pm

Adanorcil wrote:Lighter, just took a look at those concepts. I like them a lot. However, the square tables and the decorated chair to me seem quite ornate. I believe they might fit better in one one of the higher class FCGs, in which I would still absolutely love them.

Yeah, I had drawn those before Gez posted the furniture topic.
Hoping it would give some inspiration. Definately middle/upper class.

The ceramic I'll see about redoing, maybe change it too a metal-topped table inlaid with glazed ceramic like a mosaic.

Anyways. [url=http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hammerfellcommonfurncopom3.png][img]http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4067/hammerfellcommonfurncopom3.th.png[/img][/url]

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon May 19, 2008 8:14 pm

I'm not sure about the drawers and wardrobes. Wouldn't it be too hard and expensive to make it that way? I mean, it would be a lot cheaper and easier to create something that is opened vertically... Otherwise, great job

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon May 19, 2008 8:20 pm

agreed. i personally see LC Redguard style as very simple and practical, bamboo cut and tied together and stuck into a wall to make a shelf for example. could the cupboard be separated in two, one being a low, wide bottom drawer set and the other a tall bookshelf? interior modders could then squish them together if they wanted a cupboard for the upper-lower class.

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Mon May 19, 2008 8:22 pm

Revision time

/salute

Be back lataz

edit: Just to be doubly clear. You want [url=http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=verticalwf8.png][img]http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1516/verticalwf8.th.png[/img][/url]unless we have both miscommunicated. lol

aro101 · Post by **aro101** » Mon May 19, 2008 9:12 pm

Yes, LTS. That is what I would like to see

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Mon May 19, 2008 10:42 pm

Ok. I will be back

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:15 am

Off-topic bickering has been removed.

Jellew, your chair and bench look good.

LTS, cool concepts as always, but D seems to be using wooden planks, something we'd like to avoid for this furniture set.

Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Tue May 20, 2008 7:21 pm

I can change that to bamboo boards as that I've seen is not far fetched. Does that work?

http://safarithatch.com/thatch/products/product.aspx?id=83
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11461445/Bamboo_Board_For_Furniture_Making.html

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Lighter Than Some · Post by **Lighter Than Some** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:35 pm

Mybad thx. O_O

Post by **Haplo** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:51 pm

They have a lot of random character strings so they make the page like an extra foot long and its bad.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:54 pm

Or you can use the URL tags to give them a [url=http://images.google.com/images?q=bamboo+furniture&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi&gbv=1&ei=cFYzSOLSFJXI-AKP5o2sBA]fancy name[/url] that won't attack the layout...

Lighter Than Some wrote:I can change that to bamboo boards as that I've seen is not far fetched. Does that work?

http://safarithatch.com/thatch/products/product.aspx?id=83
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11461445/Bamboo_Board_For_Furniture_Making.html

I'm gonna be a big stick-in-the-mud and say it doesn't work, because it looks like normal wood rather than like bamboo...

evergrey · Post by **evergrey** » Sat May 24, 2008 9:36 am

Hee, middle to lower class cheap furniture? There should be a Hammerfellian IKEA!

Actually, furniture stores would be cool, heh. A general store that has furniture on display as if for sale would be cool. When you get your Hammerfell house, you can buy from YOKEA or something, heheheh...

I'll see if I can come up with anything interesting in the next few days, and if I do, I'll post it here.

Mwgek · Post by **Mwgek** » Thu May 29, 2008 8:10 pm

[url]http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/morrowindgek/?action=view&current=BambooThings.jpg[/url]

Cheap enough? Rubbish drawings tho... I just think we should be in this area of cheapness

. Bamboo with robes rulez.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Thu May 29, 2008 8:43 pm

Not too bad, but the chair is a no. It's far too irregular. Cheap doesn't mean clumsily done, it's not difficult to get four pieces of identical lengths. It just means they don't use precious materials and don't spend hours making ornate engravings on them.

Gihn · Post by **Gihn** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:19 pm

[url=http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hammerfalllowerclass01ud2.jpg][img]http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8784/hammerfalllowerclass01ud2.th.jpg[/img][/url]

these are some ideas I had with the thought of keeping the materials as minimal as necessary since its supposed to be simple efficient furniture for the common rube lol.

the bed side view lacks the support bamboo shaft because I had only realized that it would be necessary after I inked it,my bad.
and no I cant really draw wicker,first time doing any of this actually,drawing inanimate things that is other then clothing.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:38 pm

I like 'em. In fact, I'd like a real wicker wall shelf like that.

And for a concept sketch, that wicker is wickerish enough.

Welcome to TR and to the [url=http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/old_forum/groupcp.php?g=15537]ranks of concept artists[/url], Gihn!

Gihn · Post by **Gihn** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:37 pm

why,that was fast,on the ball today eh?

well thank you I must admit I did not expect to be so well received. it means allot makin that little list there

and well when I saw this project I simply had to try and contribute something I adore TES and would do all I can to help this great idea.

but alas I'm no 3d modeler,but I can and do draw quite well if I do say so myself,and so this is there I will render aid as often as I can!
need anything?
I cannot guarantee it done to ones satisfaction but I WILL give it my best shot.

although where I'm most practiced is in character art but I'm sure theres quite allot of folks gunning to do that and its neither here nor there from what I can tell,at least for now I'll do whats needed.

Obagovo · Post by **Obagovo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:23 pm

Some stuff for the bar set. Right now all I have a counter and stools. What else would be needed for a full bar set?

Counter:

[url=http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=barcounterhq8.jpg][img]http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5733/barcounterhq8.th.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=countersidemi8.jpg][img]http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/347/countersidemi8.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Stool:

[url=http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=barstoolqn8.jpg][img]http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2745/barstoolqn8.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:15 pm

Obagovo wrote:What else would be needed for a full bar set?

A bottle rack and/or keg holder, maybe. Imageshack is screwing up with the counter pics, but I managed to see them anyway. Don't forget the bar door. Also, it should be as modular as possible -- if you have Morrowind, look at the bar sets there for what I mean.

Obagovo · Post by **Obagovo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:46 pm

Two questions. First, could the bar door be a bar drape? Second, by modular do you mean flexible or am I thinking of something else?

Post by **Haplo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:42 pm

Modular means having several square pieces to make up that long rectangular shape you've got in your drawing, with pieces with two sides, three sides, 90-degree curves, etc. Just check the Morrowind bar sets to see what he means.

In other words, we don't want a bar set that can only be used one way, we need a bar set that can be used in numerous different configurations, to fit the needs of different interiors, and also so that players don't go 'there's that bar set' again. We don't want people to think it's a 'bar model', but a 'set of bar models', if you will.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:32 pm

Obagovo wrote:Two questions. First, could the bar door be a bar drape? Second, by modular do you mean flexible or am I thinking of something else?

First answer, yes it is possible. But then you have to show how it's tied and how you fold it. (Remember that doors will be animated.)
Second answer, by modular I mean something that will allow nigh any shape for the modder. Here's a crappy pic that could explain it. Pretend you're looking from above. Rounded angles are for the client side on this picture (a bar doesn't look the same on both sides!).
[url=http://imageshack.us][img]http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3043/crappypicty7.png[/img][/url]
1, 2, 3, and 4 are needed; 5, 6 and 7 are optional and probably wouldn't be of much use.

Obagovo · Post by **Obagovo** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:27 pm

Thank you Haplo and Gez for that information. I took that diagram Gez made (which helped a lot as I'm a visual learner) and I am currently drawing the parts. I want to know if I am going in the right direction, so here is parts 1 and 2:

[url=http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=counter1zx6.jpg][img]http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2893/counter1zx6.th.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=counter2zc7.jpg][img]http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5863/counter2zc7.th.jpg[/img][/url]

As a side question, should I continue with my "tanned leather over bamboo" idea or try something else?

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:35 pm

Bamboo and leather is how it's supposed to be done, so yes.

Don't forget to cover both client side and server side (no computer stuff reference intended, heh) -- on the barman's side, it's probably hollow and with a small, low shelf to place glasses, bottles, and other stuff.