What is underneath Fang Lair?

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:39 pm

What worthwhile thing wil TR put at the bottom of the Fang Lair dungeon? I'm guessing it won't be a literal dragon.

Post by **Haplo** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:04 pm

It might mean dragon in the native Yoku tongue, whatever it is.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:54 pm

Who cares? Something badass. That's several decades from now.

Deeza · Post by **Deeza** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:12 am

So we're going to include Fang Lair in Hammerfell?

I guess we're assuming that whatever's down there now actually crept in after the Dwemer disappeared. All I could find on Arena was an endless succession of rats and skeletons. Oh, and mine cart tracks too.

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:20 am

First person to suggest anything like a Balrog will get Desu-PM-Spammed into submission.

In all seriousness its hard to think of anything decent to put down there. Perhaps a lich enclave who don't like the Barrow...a secretive mage group embroiled in a conspiracy to take over Hammerfell...A Kogotong outpost...a crime ring's secret smuggling warehouse...

As Sload said, its a long way away.

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:28 pm

I'd put a dragon's skeleton in there. But then I'm not the most original thinker out there. But this thread is far too ahead of its time.

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:31 pm

*FACEPALM*

That's exactly why they would be GOOD to put there. They want to be secret. Who would expect it. It's a huge place, even if there is lava at the bottom, there is plenty of other space.

Keep up.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:22 pm

A Starbucks.

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:34 pm

Tyrion wrote:A Starbucks.

Seconded.

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:12 pm

Why not an NPC named Starbuck, with a quest to find him? "Starbuck? There's a Starbuck under Fang Lair, people say. Everyone always talks about how they can't find Starbuck anywhere else around here. Kill him and maybe they'll shut up about him. And maybe I'll have something for you if you get back out alive."

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:15 pm

also functions as an added Battlestar Galactica reference.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:36 pm

I was just thinking Battlestar Galactica.

From a totally random thing I said... it turned into a pretty funny idea.

Nanu · Post by **Nanu** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:50 pm

For those of you that aren't following this: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Thrace]this is Starbuck, don't ask why the sex changed.[/url]

As to the topic, did anyone play Arena enough to remember what was there?

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:29 pm

According to this map (though I thought the game was randomly generated...):

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/564545/49040

It looks like part of the rod on a fairly ceremonial looking lava-circled island.

I never got there myself but I doubt it is anything decent, knowing the limitations of the game. I would say we should make it some form of grand hall...perhaps a iant hanger or workshop for constructing some horrifically awesome machine...or airship!

Sniper4 · Post by **Sniper4** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:28 am

Jale wrote:According to this map (though I thought the game was randomly generated...):

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/564545/49040

It looks like part of the rod on a fairly ceremonial looking lava-circled island.

I never got there myself but I doubt it is anything decent, knowing the limitations of the game. I would say we should make it some form of grand hall...perhaps a iant hanger or workshop for constructing some horrifically awesome machine...or airship!

I got to see the lava- filled room a couple of years ago when I played Arena. It was kind of neat, actually, since the lava was really bright and pretty. There was also a room locked behind a metal door that contained a piece of the Staff of Chaos. The room was guarded from the inside by these fire- shooting wolves, similar to the "Hell Hounds" found in OOO.

Nanu · Post by **Nanu** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:28 am

An airship hanger would be teh 1337 p3wnage.

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:24 am

Sniper, am I right in recalling that Arena rooms could only ever be about one story high..either there was a ceiling there or it was sky?

I reckon were Beth to remake it today the bottom hall would be very tall.

Deeza · Post by **Deeza** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:42 pm

How about a gigantic Dwemer robotic dragon? : )

Seriously though I like the idea of the airship hangar.

We could always say that there has been an earthquake in the fifty-odd years since Arena, which caused the deadly boring tunnels from Arena to collapse in on themselves but which also opened up the entrance to some deeper and much more interesting halls which we can fill with whatever we like.

Perhaps the endless maze of mine cart tracks was just the mine which produced the raw materials for their factories and laboratories which are now revealed?

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:09 pm

Well the place was ultimately 'a mine', but then again this was back when the Dwemer were Tolkein-esque Dwarves, not elves, so they were probably thinking more Mines of Moria than a coalpit.

Were I designing it in my mind with less respect for our hardworking modellers I would make one section of the place a mine with giant machines for boring into rock and huge smelting forges. The rest of the city would be similar to that under Mournhold, bit larger and gloomier. The bottom part would be the workshop.

Just going further off the wall...

Cylinder. The whole place is a giant cylindrical chasm, with balconies around the central shaft and all levels having rooms leading off. the way down would be winding and complex. At the bottom would be the airship, with the exit at the top of the shaft, such that an airship could be moored to any level for easy loading.

Deeza · Post by **Deeza** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:03 pm

Jale wrote:this was back when the Dwemer were Tolkein-esque Dwarves, not elves, so they were probably thinking more Mines of Moria than a coalpit.

I'm sure you're right that was the idea. Put it still does look like a coalpit thanks to the poor graphics capability of the day.

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:10 pm

ummm

why would they put an airship in a mine? or in any underground passage for that matter?

wouldnt it be stored in a near-surface-level structure a la the observatories from morrowind?

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:20 pm

Tyrion wrote:ummm

why would they put an airship in a mine? or in any underground passage for that matter?

wouldnt it be stored in a near-surface-level structure a la the observatories from morrowind?

Yes I was thinking that even when I posted it...

The factory for the airships could be anywhere, and if we were going for the cylindrical approach it would be fine to have it at the bottom.

But yes it is not one of my better ideas!

Thing is, its hard to think of something good to put down there. Perhaps allusions to Anumidium?

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:56 pm

Or the first half of the history of the world. What a lovely allusion.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:28 pm

Jale wrote:
Thing is, its hard to think of something good to put down there. Perhaps allusions to Anumidium?

Don't be offended, but how does one allude to Anumidium?

Haplo wrote: Or the first half of the history of the world. What a lovely allusion.

Do you mean the Past?

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:34 pm

Large mech constructions. A giant metal skeleton. Shit like that. Implications that they might have been involved on some level.

Another idea might be something like the Terracotta army.

Post by **Haplo** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:43 pm

Harke the Apostle wrote: Do you mean the Past?

No I mean History of the World, Part I.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:44 pm

Jale wrote: Another idea might be something like the Terracotta army.

Do you mean a clone-waresque hall with a huge batalion or robos?

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:46 pm

Essentially. Or a mausoleum, each statue representing a fallen Dwemer.

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:02 pm

Who would the Rourken be fighting in Hammerfell?

Infinitium · Post by **Infinitium** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:10 am

Nothing (apart from the ruins with inhabitants etc). The place is an active (?) Volcano and the local Redguards/Orcs interprets the great biles of smoke and sulfur as the presence of a Wyrm of unfathomable power (complete with a suitable set of unpronouncable names in various tongues).

Seriously for a medieval society the residents of tamriel are unnervingly spot-on on their explanations for naturally occuring phenomena; where's the good ol' fashioned mistrust of scholars and religious ignorance we all love and cherish about them dark ages?

Infinitium · Post by **Infinitium** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:23 am

So in response to the Eastern Dwemer creating the Numidium, the Western tribes ante up with.. Gundam?

I'm listening.

Also enlightened medieval times are self-contradictory (and copouts). if they were they would be reneissant times. And I ain't seeing no puffy shirts on the emperor.

But seriously, the simple folk of the west wouldn't understand the hodgepodgey of temporal and material anomalies that make up the governing physics of the Elder Scrolls multiverse, Dragon they would understand.

EDIT: Fuck it. Just hook up Trogdor the Burninator and call it a day?

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:28 am

It should be a player owned house

Upgrades include:
- Bedroom area.
- Kitchen area.
- Living area.
- Dying area.
- Puppy area.
- Shut up, Andres area.

And much more!

Tyrion · Post by **Tyrion** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:35 am

Infinitium wrote:So in response to the Eastern Dwemer creating the Numidium, the Western tribes ante up with.. Gundam?

I'm listening.

Also enlightened medieval times are self-contradictory (and copouts). if they were they would be reneissant times. And I ain't seeing no puffy shirts on the emperor.

But seriously, the simple folk of the west wouldn't understand the hodgepodgey of temporal and material anomalies that make up the governing physics of the Elder Scrolls multiverse, Dragon they would understand.

EDIT: Fuck it. Just hook up Trogdor the Burninator and call it a day?

Dude thats what I'm saying.

Yet, Tamriel is too.... fucked up to really be simply medieval . I mean the level of knowledge and technical know how exhibited by the High Elves and Dwemer just shows that they know their shit (even if it is physically impossible in a real universe) and they ain't that ignorant, except maybe for medical practices. But I mean, hell, who cares when you got healing potions?

Harke the Apostle · Post by **Harke the Apostle** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:52 am

Isn't Fang Lair just built over the crater where Volendrung fell?

Jale · Post by **Jale** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:02 am

Harke the Apostle wrote:Who would the Rourken be fighting in Hammerfell?

Nobody. I meant on an aesthetic level. Keep up.

[quote="Harke the Apostle]]Isn't Fang Lair just built over the crater where Volendrung fell?[/quote]

There is no spot on identification of the mythical impact site (bear in mind it is a myth...) but if it were anywhere it would probably be Volenfel under Hegathe. Fang Lair is just a mine.