What was your reputation after the Fifth Trial???

[Munty]

Hi I'm just after a number and it's really bugging me that I'm starting a topic to find it but I'm having no luck! I have some dialogue conditions that are dependant on player reputation and want to set it at some sort of average so there's a good chance of either option being fulfilled.

So basically the value I want is the average reputation reached by the player after having completed the Fifth Trial which is the Ashlander Neravarine quest. If anyone who reads this has a saved game from around this period (a bit before or after is fine) please just put the value for your reputation in a reply to this topic and let me know how much you've done besides the main quest (like every possible quest you've come across or sod all etc.)

Cheers!

[zegh]

couldnt you check how many points you gain for each main-quest mission, up untill that point, and add them all up, to reach a sortof minimum?

i never do side-quests untill im done with the main quest, so i should theoretically only have the most minimum of points when im finished w the 5th trial.

dont have it saved tho, sorry

edit: hm.. just thought of all the faction quests, but i actually finished most, if not all of those untill i finished the 5th trial too. i just tend to avoid all the wilderness/non-related quests untill im done w everything else. but you could do a count up.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Reputation

[Munty]

Well I did find THIS->[url]http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Reputation[/url] very useful page on UESP that lists all of the various quests and what reputation gain you get from each but unfortunately it's impossible to tell an average from it.

It also seems to be slightly messed up for my game as I've completed every single quest, even the ones that contradict the other ones(yes I am master of all 3 houses with all of the strongholds complete!) I know it's a bit hardcore and obviously the console got used just a tad to make it happen but who cares eh I like 100% games

Anyway I'm stuck with 157 rep and the link up there /\ says that all of the quests put together are worth over 170... So I don't really know if this is accurate or whether I just didn't get the rep gain from some of the quests I had to console to complete (like killing someone who was already dead and completing quests for people who'd already been deactivated/killed)

Anyway, according to that link there are only 15 reputation points in the main quest before you hit the point in the game where the quests I'm scripting become available and I'm pretty sure noone does just the main quest. You said yourself you did most of the guild quests even if not the wilderness ones so I'm stumped... Maybe just halve the total amount available? I have it set to 70 atm so the code is good but I have no idea if that's a realistic number or not

[Theron Udraer]

Dude, there's an easy way if you're making a quest. Just don't offer the dialogue until the player has beaten the quest. It's like faction quests. If player->BeatQuest "mq_5trial", or something like that. Of course BeatQuest isn't a function, and mq_5trial isn't its quest ID, but you can get all that stuff, like off of UESP. Good luck with your questing.

-theron

[the_cosmonaut]

I've checked my old saves and none of my characters had 70 rep points at that point, as I tend to join only two or three factions per character. I'll tell you what I've found:

The first character I finished the MQ with had 66 rep points after killing Dagoth Ur so, acording to the UESP page you linked, she had around 56 after becoming hortator and nerevarine (as I remeber playing the final parts of the MQ in a row).
Another character also had 66 points after killing Dagoth Ur, but he had done some quests for the East Empire Company before that, so his rep must have been lower than 56 when he was named H&N.
My current character has 28 rep points and is going for the cavern of the incarnate, so the UESP says she will have 56 (again?!) rep points (more if I go hunting for the npcs involved in "Sleepers Awake", of which I've only found a couple)

So, based on my play style, I'd recommend going for 50-55 reputation points, but I think you reached that score much earlier.

I don't know if asking only for reputation is a good idea, as it can vary a lot from game to game. Depending on what you want to do, I think that you could set multiple requeriments, for example checking if the character has completed the Hortator and Nerevarine part of the MQ (for players like me) OR if the character has a very high reputation (80? 90?) for players who like to do every quest available

[Munty]

Thanks Cos that's the kind of information I'm after!

I'm not having much luck trying to explain this so far but I'll try again :p

I'm using the reputation check as a 'variable' NOT a 'requirement'. In order to begin the quests I'm writing the player must have been declared Nerevarine by all 4 Ashlander camps, therefore the requirement for the first quest is that the player be a member of the Ashlanders Faction and that they be rank 1 (bearing in mind rank 0 is Clanfriend) which is issued at the end of the Nerevarine quests by Sul-Matuul in the Urshilaku Tribe.

I know there are easier ways to do it but this works just fine so I'm not bothered!!!

Now, the reason I want a value for reputation is because one of the quests I'm writing (written atually) involves gaining access to the yurt of an outcast clan's leader. Ashlander courtesy denotes that you may not enter an Ashkhan's yurt without invitation (unless you fancy a beating) so the door has a script attached which prevents the player from entering before he speaks with the scout (guard) outside. He will challenge your honour and say you may only enter 'over my dead body'. This is a topic which when selected gives the player a choice to duel the guard. The choices are 1-a polite and courteous yes, 2-a cocky in your face yes, or 3-a cowardly no! The yes and no are simply yes or no. The cocky option returns different reactions depending on the players reputation though.

Basically, if the player gets all cocky but has a low reputation, the guard will mock him and claim to have never heard of him (regardless of player level or strength etc.) This is because the player is not famous and the guard has no reason to know of his exploits. If on the otherhand you get cocky with a high reputation the guard will decide that fighting isn't really necessary as he's heard great tales of your deeds all across Vvardenfell and is basically crapping himself!

And that's what I need the value for...

Trouble is it's still kind of a floating value because these quests are available as soon as the player becomes Nerevarine but are still available after Dagoth Ur and all of the other quests so the gap between min. and max. ave. reputation will be massive. As I said I'm 150+ after completing everything and the average minimum just after the fifth trial seems to be about 50-60 so that's nearly a 100 point margin!

Any more thoughts, values or advice would be great :p