Vampires in Hammerfell

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:59 pm

personally, i think a clan of yoku vamps would be cool. low on the priority scale, but cool. give some new perspective to the vampire culture, a chance to get out of the stereotype.

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:25 pm

How about original vampires in
caves and fort ruins(like those from Cyrodiil)?

milne · Post by **milne** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:36 pm

they were kind of borig though, just violent people who gave ye a disease...

it would be nicer if there are more varied and different vampire clans. Maybe one that decorates their ruins with bloody corpses, or a none hostile clan that lives in a village underground and only feed on mummies.

just some thoughts:P

Nanu · Post by **Nanu** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:51 pm

Established vampire clans in Hammerfell sounds well and good, but I'm sure that they would be hunted mercilessly by the Yoku. I've never really seen the Yoku as tolerant of things different than them. So if there were a clan, it would have to occupy one of the large Dwemer ruins in the middle of the province. It would have to be entirely inconvenient for any number of Yoku to go into the ruins. The vampires would come out at night and prey on the merchants and raiders in the area. There might be a quest for the Archeology Guild to go in and clear out the nest before they can set up a base there.

So I could see that develop, but I'm not entirely sure that it fits with the flavor of what TR already has in mind for the region.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:52 am

possible compromise idea: The vampires live in the mines (the cave-looking part) of Fang Lair/Kragenfell only. It makes more sense to them, as it wouldn't be (as heavily) defended by centurions; plus I can't imagine mines by themselves (dark rock tunnels! you have TOTALLY never seen this shit before) being very interesting just by mere virtue of having been used by dwemer thousands of years ago.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:25 pm

I don't think their location is as important as the details of their bloodline.

I'd prefer to finally see a highly religious, highly complex society of vampires who believe the curse can be used as a way to defend the innocent, thereby salvaging their spiritual immortality.

Now that I think of it, perhaps a TES version of Vampire: the Masquerade's Golconda.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:41 pm

My "uh-oh" alarm always goes off when someone brings up borrowing things from other games, but I like that idea. Hammerfell's residents are a very spiritual people, so it would make sense for the lowest of their citizens to share those beliefs. Another part of me is leaning towards the vampires being "disorganized savages", but that wouldn't be nearly as fun gameplay-wise.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:53 pm

highly religious? defend the innocent? ew. thats too squishy and nice for vampires, and redguards in general. im still thinking traditional redguard vamps here, which would have all the traditional yokudan traditions plus a few more. a ritualized society based solely on the power of the individual, with high respect for strength and for bloodline.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:15 pm

that's more like it. :3 sounds like a great vehicle to represent all of the awesome stuff the team has come up with in-game, that might otherwise be stuck in books half the players won't read.

Nanu · Post by **Nanu** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:52 am

I'd prefer to finally see a highly religious, highly complex society of vampires who believe the curse can be used as a way to defend the innocent, thereby salvaging their spiritual immortality.

Too much of the Twilight lexicon, Hemi.

sirwootalot123 · Post by **sirwootalot123** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:32 am

IF TR USES ANYTHING FROM TWILIGHT, I WILL KILL MYSELF FROM MERELY HAVING ASSOSCIATED WITH PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYED THAT STEAMING INSULT TO LITERATURE AS WE KNOW IT.
that is all. :3

pespespes · Post by **pespespes** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:45 am

I don't prefer borrowing things from other games.

TheGooch · Post by **TheGooch** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:22 pm

pes: twilight is a book turned movie. not a game ( not sure if its been turned into one)

though i haven't watched it. nor read it.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:09 pm

pespespes: We are not doing it like they did in cyrodiil as that was boring and already done in cyrodiil.

Milne: While better than the cyrodiil vampires, these sound more like dungeon gimmicks, and neither of them particularly hammerfeldian.

Nanu: Kind of limiting, I understand they shouldn't be everywhere but that is too much in the other direction.

wooty: The fang lair will be awesome by virtue of it being the fang lair. Therefore mundane tunnel vamps are out.

Hemi: Doesn't seem hammerfeldian.

wooty: read all the new lorestuffs made in your absence.

LN: you are correct and provide a reasonable launch pad to base for the HF vampires.

Nanu: irrelevant

wooty: Don't ever make a post like that again

pespespes: we are free to be inspired by outside sources as long as the finished product does not closely resemble any of the referenced outside products.

gooch: Yes, now lets not talk about twilight any more.

Hemitheon · Post by **Hemitheon** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:33 pm

I wasn't describing the Cullens, I was describing certain clans from Whitewolf's rpg Vampire(: the Masquerade; Dark Ages; or Requiem).

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:00 am

Okay Im going to keep aside of this conversation but say:

Dont use Fang Lair. Its one of the most renown places in Hammerfell and should be allocated to something of high importance like the main story line or left entirely.
(Saying that, I dont actaully know what the main story line of Hammerfell is or is about).

But my point remainds valid!

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:16 am

The fang lair will be whatever it should be in lore. Do not talk forcefully about things you know nothing about, and especially don't necromance things to do so

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:55 am

Look all im saying is that Fang Lair is important, otherwise they wouldnt have hid part of the Staff of Chaos there, and whether that part is relivant or not, that dwarven ruin (because it is actaully dwarven) needs to not be treated as a standard ruin/dungeon.

Im not saying dont use it, Im jsut saying make it used for something memorable, make it stand out.

I also found a interesting quote, relivant to Staff of Chaos, (he = The emperior at the time)

UESPwiki wrote:Unable to destroy it, he did the next best thing, splitting it into eight fragments and hiding each piece within the most forgotten and dangerous places throughout the provinces.

In Hammerfell's case, that place is Fang Lair.

Adanorcil · Post by **Adanorcil** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:44 pm

... that dwarven ruin (because it is actaully dwarven) needs to not be treated as a standard ruin/dungeon.

The fang lair will be whatever it should be in lore.

I seriously don't see your problem.

Though frankly, 'Fang Lair' needs a bit of a rehash. It dates from the Arena era and that almost makes it tacky by default. But this is still irrelevant for now.

Gez · Post by **Gez** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:48 pm

This thread is about vampires, so why are we even discussing about Fang Lair? Even though there's "Fang" in the name, the place has absolutely no relationships with vampires whatsoever.

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:14 am

Well Gez that was sorta my concern, the 'no-relation'.

Anyway I'll keep quiet for now.