Omber's Showcase

Omber1234 · Post by **Omber1234** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:47 pm

Ok this is how it is this is my first mod after playing 2 years of oblivion and 6 months of playing Morrowind it adds teh Redguards ancient home Yokuda. The ride to the island is at Seyda Neen

p.s. Its far from done no quests just yet
but houses, Tavern Prison and stuff are added

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Yokuda

This adds: A Nice Cozy House for yourself and a secret in it,Yokudian Isle's New Npc's Houses Tavern Fort Prison Garden

michaleson · Post by **michaleson** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:57 pm

Welcome to TR. Someone will have a look at your showcase in the next few days. Or today, who knows...

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:26 pm

Okay, I took a look at it and the first couple of ints I noticed many floaters and even more bleeders.
I didn't look at anything but your interiors, as its all I'm promoted for that you have in this plugin.
It would help if you can go through all your cells again and try to fix these. For fixing the floaters just press 'F' in most cases.
In the case of bleeders just raise them a bit and press 'F' again will usually work well.

Other more minor things I noticed are that you don't have 'Illegal to sleep here' checked on your interiors. Its general good practice to do this checked in town cells.

I notice you didn't have any style mixing, and your interiors seem well detailed, so that is good as well.

Omber1234 · Post by **Omber1234** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:38 am

Stryker wrote:Okay, I took a look at it and the first couple of ints I noticed many floaters and even more bleeders.
I didn't look at anything but your interiors, as its all I'm promoted for that you have in this plugin.
It would help if you can go through all your cells again and try to fix these. For fixing the floaters just press 'F' in most cases.
In the case of bleeders just raise them a bit and press 'F' again will usually work well.

Other more minor things I noticed are that you don't have 'Illegal to sleep here' checked on your interiors. Its general good practice to do this checked in town cells.

I notice you didn't have any style mixing, and your interiors seem well detailed, so that is good as well.

Ok i fixed the Illegal to sleep here thing its illegal everywere but your house

Omber1234 · Post by **Omber1234** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:00 pm

Ok Here It Is fully checked by me I think, hope you like it and enjoy I probably suck at making quests so didnt make any here It Is! Enjoy!

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:59 pm

please do not double, triple, and especially quadruple post. I do not believe any post but your last was truly necessary.

Omber1234 · Post by **Omber1234** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:00 pm

Yeah i know im sorry i was in a hurry that time wont happen again

Administrator Message - I have removed extraneous posts

MMMowSkwoz · Post by **MMMowSkwoz** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:06 pm

Omber1234 wrote:Hey, Im a new member here and i got a problem with the Tes III Cs cause im abit new modder. I didnt know were to put this so here it is when im trying to make my first quest after ive done everything like topics greeting journal and stuff. So here is the problem when im writing the script its like this

begin Lost

short done

if [ done == 1 ]
return
endif

if [ onactivate == 1 ]

Journal ''Missing guard'' 2
set done to 1
activate

endif

end but when i click save it says Journal need to have a dialogue jounal id ? compiled script not saved anyone got a clue

im actually done with the mod made the island and stuff with npc and houses interiors and stuff but i cant make the quest?

You posted this in the webmaster thread. The problem is probably your choice of journal ID. Is "Missing Guard" actually the journal ID or is it the name of the quest? You need to use the ID here. If it is the ID, make sure your ID is not also the name of a dialogue topic. Also, have you used two apostrophes instead of quotation marks ('' instead of ")? That would be incorrect syntax.

Omber1234 · Post by **Omber1234** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:24 am

So what going on ive been waiting 2 Months !

not that im angry but no one is reviewing my work for 2 month!:(

C-A-G-E · Post by **C-A-G-E** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:58 pm

Wow Ombar, a two month wait for a review really isnt good enough on our part. I think I can apologize on behalf of everyone at Morrowind TR for letting your showcase get buried.

Ive added your showcase to the "showcases in need of review" sticky, and along with this post hopefully your showcase should be getting reviewed soon.

Again, im very sorry for the two month delay ( a week or so can be expected as we all have lives outside TR, but beyond that feel free to bump your thread to attract our attention).

C-A-G-E · Post by **C-A-G-E** » Sat May 02, 2009 10:23 pm

Ok I decided to have a look at this myself, and i'm afraid this plugin cant be used as your showcase, as you cookie-cuttered several morrowind interiors (you copy and pasted them).

This isnot good enough, no TR int will be accepted if it contains copy and pasting. I found that:

Yokudian Lighthouse = Sayda Neen Lighthouse
Yokudian Island Home= Pelagiad, Ahnassi's House
Yokudian Inn= Pelagiad, Halfway Tavern

I didnt look at any more of your interiors, but im going to assume all of them were copy and pasted.

Your showcase must be your own work, so I suggest starting your showcase (with just one interior, for ease of reviewing) from scratch with all of your own work, as in its current state it will not be accepted.

Faalen · Post by **Faalen** » Sat May 02, 2009 11:44 pm

Also, Omber, you were waiting a little over one month, not two. It's your responsibility to bump your showcase if it isn't getting attention. If you had posted a "What's taking so long?" message after ten days, you would have gotten a response then.

Beyond that, passing off Bethesda's work as your own is, quite frankly, despicable. I've seen showcases where people copy and paste an interior layout and detail it themselves, but I have never seen someone so blatantly and shamelessly take credit for Beth's work. You didn't even attempt to do anything yourself. This kind of behavior speaks volumes about you, and it doesn't make you look good.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Sun May 03, 2009 6:49 pm

Did omber cookie cut?

Faalen · Post by **Faalen** » Mon May 04, 2009 2:28 am

That's about as lightly as you can put it. Every interior is a Bethesda interior with the NPCs replaced. Their replacements even look similar and are standing in the same places. Ownership hasn't been reassigned and northmarkers haven't been adjusted. They're vanilla cells inch by inch. For example, the lighthouse cell is the Seyda Neen lighthouse complete with the Wraith's Wedding Dowry on the top level, owned by the Seyda Neen lighthouse keeper.

It's honestly the most blatant plagiarism I've ever seen, here or anywhere.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:13 am

That sounds like the old Darconis lighthouse! *remembers fondly the gems found during map 2 interior detailing*

Showcases must entirely be your own work. Learn from this and make a new cell from scratch if you want to work with TR.

Omber1234 · Post by **Omber1234** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:17 pm

Faalen wrote:That's about as lightly as you can put it. Every interior is a Bethesda interior with the NPCs replaced. Their replacements even look similar and are standing in the same places. Ownership hasn't been reassigned and northmarkers haven't been adjusted. They're vanilla cells inch by inch. For example, the lighthouse cell is the Seyda Neen lighthouse complete with the Wraith's Wedding Dowry on the top level, owned by the Seyda Neen lighthouse keeper.

It's honestly the most blatant plagiarism I've ever seen, here or anywhere.

I seriously didnt want to say this your seriously fucked up if you check the construction set you could see that i changed the ownership have you even checked the last file i uploaded or the first one i didnt claim this was my work i just claimed that i was the one who put them their who the hell are you to judge me

gro-Dhal · Post by **gro-Dhal** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:43 pm

Um... Faalen's a modder reviewing your showcase. Some judging is fairly essential.

And we're going to assume that if you submit something to a showcase that it will all be your own work. The 'Guide to modding' sticky thread is pretty explicit in that regard.

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:45 pm

Omber1234 wrote:I seriously didnt want to say this your seriously fucked up if you check the construction set you could see that i changed the ownership have you even checked the last file i uploaded or the first one i didnt claim this was my work i just claimed that i was the one who put them their who the hell are you to judge me

You still copied a Beth interior. No wonder why I found so many floaters and bleeders earlier.

But either way, that isn't going to get you into TR. The work must be your own, not a copy+paste of anyone's work, let alone Beth's.
Seriously, dude, the ownership and adding a single guard is all that you changed in the lighthouse, in your latest file. The Northmarker is still the same, every other item is still the same. C'mon.

Anyways, just start a new interior, on your own, and I'm sure someone will review it. As far as I know this doesn't completely derail your chances here. If you are/were even interested in helping out with TR.

jonarus_drakus · Post by **jonarus_drakus** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:52 pm

Dude, at NO point did you acknowledge the fact that you had made use of vanila interiors. Had you taken half a second and said "Hey, i borrowed some of the Ints as a temparay mesure for the sake of completeness" then we wouldn't be having a go at you. In Australia Plagerism is a crime pure and simple.

Now, I for one am willing to let it slide this time IF you take the time to make a proper showcase I give you my word that it will be given a fair review, even if i have to do it myself (and I'm an Oblivion modder, not a morrowind one).

PS: Who are we to judge? We are those who have done all our own work over god knows how many hours/days/weeks.

NOTE: To the others who found out this issue, i want to make the point that while completely within your rights in calling this guy out, the language you used made it seem much harsher than might have been neccisary.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:45 pm

everyone calm the fuck down. I already said that if omber learns from this he is fine, meaning you saying so was unnecessary and aggravating jonarus.

How about you make a new file Omber, one that is entirely your work. If no one else reviews it, I will.

Omber1234 · Post by **Omber1234** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:41 pm

As i said before that was my first work i would gladly make a new one its just that you didnt have to be so f*cking aggressive

jonarus_drakus · Post by **jonarus_drakus** » Tue May 05, 2009 4:47 pm

Ok cool. I for one apologise if my comment was over-agressive. I would by all means be happy to look at anything new you make to show.

PS: If thig is anything to go by theres no need to *bleep* language around here, a good thing in my opinion seeing as i enjoy swearing

(Especialy spiflications, they're fan-faucking-tastic!)

BC Edit: Please let's not. I find it to be tasteless (but that's beside the point), and I'd wager it increased the tension here unnecessarily. Let's just be calm and cordial, yes?