Morag Tong

[theviking]

There is a Morag Tong training camp in Verulas Pass that I NPC'd and I got a couple of ideas for it recently. I managed to combine these ideas in what I think would be a nice questline. They are basically testing quests to test if you are a good Morag Tong member and a master test at the end. Some of the pieces of text are turned red, I don't have any ideas for those and it would be nice if someone have any ideas to fill them in. Well, here goes:

[RelinQ]

Wow these are great ideas here, you've had some really good thought into this! Its like your birthday gift, but to us.

Maybe for the Mage test you need to heal the target npc, or enchant them some sort of item to give for them to equip before you can challenge them to a honourable duel?

Also some of these might be fairly hard to script but im sure they're all doable. Although I admit, I dont think Ive ever tried to script a door that cant be open by magic :S, then again there was a script in Bloodmoon that meant you couldnt pick the lock, so I dont see why it couldnt be possible

[Hemitheon]

What about helping a client stage her own phony death. She needs to be killed with a particular spell (custom made for the head of the Mages Guild of Morrowind) in order to place the blame of her supposed death onto the Imperial Guild of Mages.

[Sload]

i dont think im in favor, marog tong does not give tests

[Adanorcil]

There are a number of issues I have with the ideas. I shall list them here, in no particular order.

• It makes little sense to make one of the NPCs a 'priest of Mephala'. The Morag Tong are, by definition, all devout followers of Mephala. There could of course be one who tends to the shrine and such, but coincidentally also making her the magic trainer sounds like RPG personality logic.
• The same goes for the Bosmer who you can just know beforehand must be the guy with the bow.
• I have a slight uneasiness at an Orc in the Morag Tong. It is not entirely impossible, but it would have to be pulled off extremely well, or not at all. Even more so to not evoke any memory of that cardboard-brain Orc assassin in Oblivion.
• The riddle used to describe the location of the camp is rather cliched. It only rhymes rather shoddily and in the end it would be rather odd if a secret organisation such as the Morag Tong refuses to accept applicants other than those that manage to find the headmaster, but at the same time recite a happy-go-lucky riddle about where to find him.
• The sparring test seems rather un-Morag Tong. The Tong does not care much for the chivalric honor of killing someone. Their idea of honour is that if someone is marked for assassination, the person in question is killed fast, clean and without too much fuss. They have absolutely no problem with backstabbing.
• The security test could be pulled off with a Mephala-blessed artifact or something. However, we should make sure that the test does not involve to many keys and locks, which is Nocturnal's terrain and therefore the Thieves Guild's. I will talk about this more later, but I am short on time now.
• The marksman test is difficult to code. Things don't run until they see you, and it is really easy to sneak up on them before that. All in all, it also lacks a little Morag Tong-flavour.
• For the master test, see what I wrote above on Morag Tong 'honour'.

To make a long story short, I think it basically boils down to what Sload said above: the Morag Tong isn't the sort of people to give test. You'll notice that in my suggestions above, I mostly tried to make the quests more of an initiation into the mysteries and mentality of the Tong, than actual quests.[/img][/list]

[wintermute213]

[*]I have a slight uneasiness at an Orc in the Morag Tong. It is not entirely impossible, but it would have to be pulled off extremely well, or not at all. Even more so to not evoke any memory of that cardboard-brain Orc assassin in Oblivion.

There's an orc MT member who hangs around in the Vivec guildhall in vanilla Morrowind. There's at least a couple of others around too.

[*]The riddle used to describe the location of the camp is rather cliched. It only rhymes rather shoddily and in the end it would be rather odd if a secret organisation such as the Morag Tong refuses to accept applicants other than those that manage to find the headmaster, but at the same time recite a happy-go-lucky riddle about where to find him.

Yeah, the riddle isn't so great. And I don't think they'd hang around in a tavern like the Thieves Guild. Maybe come up with something more challenging that you have to think about. Maybe refer to some legend which is connected with some Dunmer family, and their ancestral tomb is where the master is.

As has been said, training missions would be hard to pull off right. But I think it's something to aim for, what else would they do at a training camp? I thought maybe they could stage mock assassinations with the instructors posing as the guards and target. They could have a prop house/tower set up that you would have to sneak into without being detected and "kill" the target with a fake weapon.

[Night0205]

Orcs in MT? Just because a race may not be on the bright side, doesn't mean that people from that race can't be extremely intelligent, or that they aren't able to join the MT. There are many Orcs that are competent for being MT or any other group of intelligence.

And I really look forward to Morag Tong quests and gameplay in Tamriel Rebuilt!!!

[theviking]

Bump. Other than the chivalric fights there don't seem as many breaking points with these quests, just points to improve. Can anyone give me an idea for a magic quest and/or a sparring quest within this training base?

[Tyrant]

If this is still required, I still have an idea for a MT test/initiation quest.

1. The player would be assigned a partner to go out and embark on their first assasination. The player would be given a writ, and then sent to a specific drop location to pick up further instructions. Upon reading the instructions placed in the drop box, the player will learn that the original writ was a lie. Enclosed is a new writ, issued for the companion the player was sent with, along with a note explaining that he did not meet MT requirements, and must be killed. Upon returning to MT hq, the player will then be made a member.

Please offer any thoughts. Thanks

[Tyrant]

Furthermore, I would imagine a bit of a lengthy trek with this companion, who I imagine as a human female, with lots of dialogue to really try and bring the character to life. At parts the NPC will even help the player, give you health potions or some such. I would like the player to really start to like, or at least get to know this character... before being forced to kill her.

[arvisrend]

Drops? I think the Morrowind Morag Tong is WAY too legal and accepted to have to resort to such methods.

[Tyrant]

Drops? I think the Morrowind Morag Tong is WAY too legal and accepted to have to resort to such methods.

The only one meant to be deceived here by this is your partner. And the purpose of the drop box is simply part of the test. I really can't see the legality of the MT taking something away from anyone's enjoyment of this quest. But regardless, thanks for your input

[TheUnending]

I'd have to agree that the drop box serves a purpose in several ways. One way is that it'd be stupid for them to right away hand you a writ on your partner since a person disappearing after visiting the Morag Tong would probably not draw good attention to the Morag Tong and also they wanted to test you and make sure you could follow orders without someone having to tell you to do it.


Also the Morag Tong likes private executions so they probably made you take him out into the boondocks so it'd be a private assassination.

[Thrignar Fraxix]

Also the Morag Tong likes private executions

which is why they give you a piece of paper to hand to the guards that clears your fine and no extra bonus for being undetected. Yup, really subtle there.

This is not the sort of thing the morag tong would do. They are about business and ceremony.

[gro-Dhal]

It's all a bit Dark Brotherhood. The Morag Tong don't mess with the heads of their membership like that because they don't see themselves as an evil organisation at all. They're another branch of law enforcement, almost.

[TheUnending]

I still think that the Morag Tong would want to test you and make sure you could follow orders when on your own. In vanilla Morrowind they tested you by having you go execute a writ, but of course Mainland and Vvardenfell can be different in many ways so they wouldn't be exactly the same in how they test new members.

[Bloodthirsty Crustacean]

In any event, if you have quest planning energies to spend, use them on M2A8, which actually needs quests. Factions are a long way off.