Hammerfell Progress

Craefish · Post by **Craefish** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:01 am

Hey everyone. I was just wondering how Hamerfell was coming along since I've been away for a while. I've been looking at some of the concept art and I think I might contribute to the mod, because the Redguard culture looks very interesting. Which real world culture does it resemble the most?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:05 am

no TES culture should resemble a real culture. They should be a good enough blend of all influences and original ideas that they should be unique.

jonarus_drakus · Post by **jonarus_drakus** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:18 am

Please note that the following is personal opinion ONLY and is by no means official.

That said, if your looking for 'real world' sources of inspiration, my choices would be:
> North Africa, Especialy Morroco
> Medieval "Moorish" Iberia (southern spain, Grenada, Cadiz, Gibralta).
and looking to Helkori you get inspirational sources from:
> Saharan Savanna (basicaly if its wide, open, flat, and sparsly vegitated your good. Hmmm, methinks the Aussie outback might fit the requirements there too).

But of course, as Thrignar pointed out, its not about taking real-world culture and replicating it, but more about disecting real-world culture and splicing a whole bunch of different traits from different sources to make a unique whole.

JD

Myzel · Post by **Myzel** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:02 am

Even though it's your personal opinion, I find your listing of merely two confined cultures (from basically the same area no less) somewhat misleading. We have been inspired by many more cultures from around the world, including ancient Egyptian, Meso-American, Persian, Indian, Arabic, Berber, Central African, even the Australian Aborigines.

Craefish · Post by **Craefish** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:15 am

I agree. It makes complete sense that Tamrielic races should not directly resemble any real world culture. However I can't help but see quite a bit of north African influence in Hammerfell, but when it comes to Arabian influences I get it mixed up with Elsweyr because it, too seems to resemble Arab culture.

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:27 am

I'm sorry, what? We just said that there's African influence in Hammerfell. Also, there's not nearly enough lore on Elsweyr to say that it's much like Arabian culture at all. All of the Tamrielic cultures are a mix, drawing on many sources and original ideas.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:58 am

i wanna come in here and say something thats obviously completely wrong but i cant think of a culture that couldnt be borrowed from in making hammerfell

Menotex · Post by **Menotex** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:29 am

The Inuit.

Canada as a whole really.
Anything U.S. or European. (Espicially Greek, Italian, German)

Other wise Sload is right, er... wrong.

I missed this place.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:29 am

Nope.

Adanorcil · Post by **Adanorcil** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:11 pm

Menotex wrote:The Inuit.

[url=http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Clubs/socia/images/inuit/inuit_large.jpg]Think[/url] [url=http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Lutemoth/equipment/Hammerfell/dunedweller3.jpg]again[/url].

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:43 pm

Adanorcil wrote:
Menotex wrote:The Inuit.
[url=http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Clubs/socia/images/inuit/inuit_large.jpg]Think[/url] [url=http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Lutemoth/equipment/Hammerfell/dunedweller3.jpg]again[/url].

Silly Adanorcil, Sand People are for Tatooine.

Menotex · Post by **Menotex** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:59 pm

Well then. I stand corrected.

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:47 pm

Also, while I can't find a place immediately for German influence, I don't think a bit of the Mediterranean cultures are at all out of place. If we're going to say North Africa is fair game, its a bit restrictively anti-Western to limit it to one side of that great sea.

As to American, assuming you mean the culture of the United States, its a culture that can only exist in the modern period and just isn't comparable to Hammerfell. While I can't lie, Star Wars influenced both Morrowind and Hammerfell, we're not about to include star destroyers either. But certain famous aspects of Americanism, the solipsistic, exceptionalistic, patriotic fervor - there's certainly a huge bit of that in the RA! GADA!

gro-Dhal · Post by **gro-Dhal** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:59 pm

I've always got a Mediterranean vibe from Hammerfell. I think it needs cypress trees.

But really it's influenced by anything that's cool, not too obvious and that fits the climate of the land and the character of its people. Make of that what you will.

Craefish · Post by **Craefish** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:24 am

Well regardless of culture, how is Hammerfell coming along?/

Sload · Post by **Sload** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:31 am

yea this thread got pretty off topic pretty fast sorry

Craefish · Post by **Craefish** » Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:23 am

It's okay. I wanted to know both things so no matter.

Craefish · Post by **Craefish** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:01 am

How is Hammerfell coming along?

bamman62 · Post by **bamman62** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:10 am

Let me think of a way to sum up HF's progress in three short sentences.

Modeling reached a standstill for about a year, and some architectural stuff is needed. It seems to be picking up pace again though.

Most available interior and exterior claims are active IIRC.

Four Greyhounds · Post by **Four Greyhounds** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:12 am

Just curious, what does IIRC stand for?

Post by **Haplo** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:17 am

If I Recall Correctly

Four Greyhounds · Post by **Four Greyhounds** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:49 am

Oh, okay. I thought it was some kind of fancy modding language.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:18 pm

bamman62 wrote:Let me think of a way to sum up HF's progress in three short sentences.

Modeling reached a standstill for about a year, and some architectural stuff is needed. It seems to be picking up pace again though.

Most available interior and exterior claims are active IIRC.

modeling has been slow, but not at a stand still.

atm im hella busy, but when i have time im working on getting a new OoT together, merging the claims, and doing some organizational stuff.

Four Greyhounds · Post by **Four Greyhounds** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:52 am

I figured I'd ask in this thread, instead of starting a new one.

I was looking through finished interrior claims for Hammerfell and saw that there were only a few there. I thought Rihad was almost complete? Shouldn't there be a lot more claims for it?

While I'm asking, I was looking through the pics of Rihad and Taneth and was wondering, do both cities use the same architecture? Or do the cities use different building for each city, like Cyrodiil? I realize that that must be a lot of work for the currently almost nonexistant modeling department, but I think it would make each city look more unique and leave a lasting memory for each if they all had diff. building styles. Just my thoughts.

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:14 am

Yes, Rihad and Taneth use the same architectural style (Goldmoor). As far as I know, there will be three general architectural styles used for Hammerfell (Goldmoor, Mountain and Desert), with perhaps a 4th for Sentinel.

The Cyrodiil cities all looked pretty much the same even with different architecture styles. Our system is perhaps somewhat like the one used in Morrowind, and at least ours will be very distinctive.

Lady Nerevar · Post by **Lady Nerevar** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:49 pm

we put up a few interiors back in the day, but it was quickly decided that it was a bad idea. the interiors currently are quite generic and will probably require major overhauls or complete remakes before they can be used. why? 1) we dont have enough models. 2) we dont have enough planing. each interior needs to serve a very specific purpose, so putting them up as "house with basement" doesnt work.

unique architecture for each city would require 21 exterior sets and 21 interior sets. add to that the architecture needed for dungeons (4 sets at least) and it becomes physically impossible. the cities are distinguished more by how they are build (nemon and i have very different styles) than by the architecture itself.

Four Greyhounds · Post by **Four Greyhounds** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:54 pm

Danke, Lady N and Cath. I figured it would be too much for the modelers. Hope the modelling dept. picks up soon!

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:33 pm

The problem of the Hammerfell project is we don't have a real modeling dept. There is almost no permanent and good modeler. We do have good modelers though, but modelers have to posess some requirements. We can't just let anyone do the models and the models needs sometimes to be fixed.
Most of TR's modelers are busy with too many real life stuff.

DMKW · Post by **DMKW** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:56 am

Thats to bad. Mr Siika seems to have created upper and lower tilesets for the Elsweyr mod within days. I guess all it takes is one good modeler.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z133/mr_siika/Elsweyr/dune12.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z133/mr_siika/Elsweyr/dune15.jpg
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z133/mr_siika/Elsweyr/dune13.jpg

Tamriel Treasurer · Post by **Tamriel Treasurer** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:31 am

Maybe Mr Siika could join here??? Someone could ask him for help for TR, and since TR is so well known, he might help.

Post by **Haplo** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:57 pm

If he wanted to join TR he would have done so a long time ago. I'm locking this thread since it keeps getting necromanced.