5-2-Red

Nemon · Post by **Nemon** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:37 pm

Any news on this one?

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:39 pm

I'm really sorry, but I have to drop this. Exceptionally busy with work at the moment, and without the concept for this region anywhere near finished I don't think it's worth me spending what little modding time I have on this claim.

Hopefully someone else can do a better job than I did. I updated the claim file so the claimant can salvage whatever they want from it.

Post by **Haplo** » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:55 am

Revoked per user request.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Tue May 25, 2010 5:27 am

Claiming this. I will mainly follow Cath's plan but will make a few more upper fort buildings and generaly improve the forteress ideea (by adding a small fort square)& add a few buildings. Now the top part of the fort will look even more impenetrable (at least if you don't levitate). The rest of this shall go down according to description.

Since this is on map 5 i hope to have a lot of time to make it beautifull and to wait/contribut to the ash swamp ideea (i like that). I will post regular updates and do it dilligently though.

Post by **Haplo** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:03 am

I'm a bit hesitant to grant such a comprehensive claim for a beginning exterior modder; could you take a screenshot of what you plan to do with the fort?

I'm not sure the town needs any more buildings; one, maybe two, more.

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:15 am

Aeven and I discussed this last night Haplo, and from our understandings, along side of what Cath has said above;

This claim doesn't exactly have a concept yet to work off, so any work on it now may be subject to future change, making current work rather pointless. :/

I have suggested to Alex that when the concept is more established, that maybe he could have a try at this claim if you're comfortable with that idea.

Post by **Haplo** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:16 am

I'm not sure what you're saying; the concept of this claim is that it's Reich Parkeep, and its in a canyon now.

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:35 am

Oh, I know that Haplo,

I meant more of the region concept sorry.
From what Cath told me I think that was more the main reason he gave up this claim to start with.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed May 26, 2010 6:06 am

From what I understand, this claim only has a minuscule portion of the ash swamp region, with most of it being Velothi mountains. (these should probably be ash right since there is an ash/RM region between it and red mountain?)

This said, having the region figured out does not remove doubts as to the ability of a fresh new modder to make an exterior of this caliber.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Wed May 26, 2010 6:33 am

Ok firstly i do know about the ash swamp. Realy i do have a habbit of checking the claims i claim.
Secondly there won't be a lot of changes to this town but it needs a temple. I have added a picture the red thing means that area is going to be shifted blue means that a building will be added ( i will experiment a bit) and the yellow means that that area is going to be raised (because it looks too unprotected for a fort thing). There will also be something added on the other side of the bridge (that bridge should have more of a purpose. I have also added a balcony thing overlooking the city. I will folow the claim acordingly and do it dilligently. I will take my time and rely do my best to make this great.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Wed May 26, 2010 6:41 am

Fill your entire screen with your render window please, and be sure to maintain the proper width and height ratio if you feel the need to resize images. As it stands I have almost no idea what is in that image.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Wed May 26, 2010 7:30 am

OK new pic. The blue area is the bazar entrance the yellow thing will be a small redoran cliff fortification (so there is a reason for a high large and difficult to built bridge) the green area will be moved and raised (in the arrow direction because it looks unprotected) The red dots mark buildings i added. (2 guard towers and a large balcony thing)

Nomadic1 · Post by **Nomadic1** » Wed May 26, 2010 8:18 am

If possible, try and have all the city in one cell. If you can't, extend it nicely across two. It seems you are planning on doing that already though

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Wed May 26, 2010 8:22 am

2 cells is the general ideea. I don't think i can get this into one cell. Also a big part of the city will be into the rock (there will probably be 2 grand interior claims for the fort and merchant section).

Post by **Haplo** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:51 pm

A cell and a half should be fine. Granting, but be sure to post regular updates (with screenshots). Enjoy your claim! And feel free to collaborate with Cathartis should you need any help/advice.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:58 pm

Thanks and will do. I will focus on the town at first so most updates shall be done there.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Wed May 26, 2010 6:41 pm

A incredibly fast WIP. This covers the main city outline. One question is it ok to use the ashland road texture? (used in Ald-ruhn). Feedback and suggestions are wellcome

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Thu May 27, 2010 3:43 pm

Ok i have a few questions about this: firstly what's the main econmoy of this town? Secondly (this is for Cath) what is the trap door in the picture below suposed to be? I kinda like the ideea but i think this must have some purpose.

Btw new WIP the town layout is finished. Now for the detailes...

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Thu May 27, 2010 3:46 pm

The trap door was going to be an entrance into the fort from the town.

Post by **Haplo** » Thu May 27, 2010 5:35 pm

The economy is trade, and anything the fort needs; gear and equipment, food, potions.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Fri May 28, 2010 6:57 am

Ok one last question. Is this going to have a slitstrider port?

EDIT: we could use the name Maar Mok (that village name for this for now). Its a lot better and more dunmer than Reich Parkeep.

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Fri May 28, 2010 9:04 am

I'm sorry but I disagree entirely, Maar Mok is a terrible name and sounds blocky as all hell. We can do better than that.

Anyway about the claim,

Looks fairly interesting, fair bit of work to do with terrain tweaks but should be good.

3 things I noticed alot,
- that ladder under the trapdoor (in your screenshot) is floating at the bottom.
- the building "TR_ex_Red_hut_01" looks a little off. It may just be the mesh, but it could be how close it is to the path, eitherway, make sure It gets a nice heavy shading around it.
- the most south-western ex_redoran_hut_01 has a big gap under it.

You probably know these errors already but eitherway keep it up.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:32 pm

Well i'm not exactly found of Maar Mok either but it realy beats Reich Parkeep. Any name suggestions please?

For the rest yes i know of those errors and will fix them. I just wanted to show the general layout of this town.

Oh and i repeat my question. Is a slitstrider supposed to reside here? Thanks

Post by **Haplo** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:35 pm

The name is being decided elsewhere, don't worry about that.

If adding a Silt Strider looks good, then maybe. But there's not much use for one here; trade caravans are the normal method of travel. But I guess add one since it would look awesome to have it built into a cliff.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Sat May 29, 2010 10:50 am

Great i love those striders!

It looks cool on the cliffside but i have a small ideea simply for the purpose of making it more accesibile for the player and make the town come alive. Please view and respond.

Does it look cool and is this a good ideea or not?

Why · Post by **Why** » Sat May 29, 2010 11:40 am

The building looks cool, but it doesn't really make much sense imho. The facade of the entrance was pretty awesome already, and having the siltstrider directly in front of it looks pretty weird.

Post by **Haplo** » Sat May 29, 2010 4:38 pm

I agree. I meant more like having the actual port be attached directly to the cliff face, however high up it needed to be. That way the player had to travel into an interior in the cliff face to get to the city.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Sun May 30, 2010 7:16 am

Ok done this. Also used the velohi strider port for this to create more variation and it looks good in my opinion. I would like this to connect with the bazar if possible.

Anyway comments are welcome.

EDIT new strider picture for TF

DOUBLE EDIT: and another one with the strider living outside the town

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Sun May 30, 2010 9:56 am

I'd say go for the second one.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun May 30, 2010 10:12 am

he made the second one after I told him I didn't like the first one (actually, I told him I didn't like one from before then that has since been removed.)

I'm not happy with the distance from the bazaar entrance, but you already know this and are working to fix it.

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Sun May 30, 2010 10:27 am

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun May 30, 2010 10:29 am

I'd hardly call that a 1/3rd reduction, but it is an improvement.

Adanorcil · Post by **Adanorcil** » Sun May 30, 2010 10:55 am

I don't think I really get the discussion here. Are people meant to jump over that little railing to get onto the strider?

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Sun May 30, 2010 12:05 pm

What does that little rail got to do with the distance? And besides beeing a realy small rail this is a working concept if it looks bad i'll replace it.

Peterboy · Post by **Peterboy** » Sun May 30, 2010 12:11 pm

Just a random idea, but why not add a little stair for people to "step on the rail"?

alex25 · Post by **alex25** » Sun May 30, 2010 1:05 pm

Ok the stair ideea was actualy realy good. So new WIP on how the striderport should look....

I truly hope this is fitting for a striderport. Btw here is a pic.

Why · Post by **Why** » Sun May 30, 2010 6:13 pm

I thought this city was supposed to fit within two cells. At the moment there are doors and a siltstrider in a friggin grand total of seven(!!) cells, so seven cells would have to be renamed to whatever this city is gonna be called. Could you move it all a bit closer together so that it fits within two cells again?

Visual representation below. It's just easier to explain that way.

edit: to not come across completely negative, I do like how the city looks a lot. Really impressive fortress-style. Good job.

Aeven · Post by **Aeven** » Sun May 30, 2010 6:18 pm

Having some buildings partially in a different cell is no disaster, but this is a bit much, especially considering the strider is in a different cell.

Post by **Haplo** » Sun May 30, 2010 6:21 pm

Why is right and wrong at the same time. He's right about the fact it needs to be condensed, but wrong about which cells. It should exist in the center cell and the cell to the left, NOT the cell to the right. The canyon is an integral part of the design. I dunno what the hell that thing is in the middle-right cell is but for all I care it can be deleted.

As for the strider port: Instead of having it cross the canyon, why not have it go over the wall at the southern entrance and immediately down to the ground? See the cell Haven, Hlaalu district in the .esp I posted in my Showcase thread for an idea if you aren't sure what I mean. It is apparently proving too problematic to have it go into the canyon.

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Sun May 30, 2010 6:27 pm

That was me experimenting and trying to create a proper entrance for the fort. Feel free to get rid of it if it aids the design.