Jonaman8' Showcase

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:53 pm

Hi everybody,

Your mods are great, so I wanted to help. I have little to no experience, but have made some mods by myself (mostly just for things I found annoying). I have an account at the TESNexus under the same name. I hope I can help you guys a little in completing Morrowind.

To see what mods I made, click the link.

[url]http://www.tesnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=1836609[/url]

Praedator · Post by **Praedator** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:39 pm

Jonaman, we have different departments for which you can apply, generally most people start with interiors, but we also have the exterior, questing, modelling and art departments.

Each have different requirements, so let us know what you want to apply for, and we can give you the requirements to apply for modder in that specific department(s).

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:42 am

I finished my showcase, but I am working out some serious bugs.

PoisonUnagi · Post by **PoisonUnagi** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:12 pm

Praedator wrote:Jonaman, we have different departments for which you can apply, generally most people start with interiors, but we also have the exterior, questing, modelling and art departments.

Each have different requirements, so let us know what you want to apply for, and we can give you the requirements to apply for modder in that specific department(s).

Speaking of which, I forgot to ask what the questing requirements are. What are they?

OTRaw · Post by **OTRaw** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:15 am

PoisonUnagi wrote: Speaking of which, I forgot to ask what the questing requirements are. What are they?

Apart from the stickies, immortal wrote this in my showcase:

More questers, awesome.

You could take a look at some of the recent quest showcases (alex25, The Greatness) to get a general idea of how a questing showcase is done.

You will need to know how to do dialog and journals, and maybe a little scripting depending on what you want to do.

For dialog I'd recommend Srikandi's dialog tutorial, for scripting try Morrowind Scripting for Dummies.

The criteria are to make it short & sweet. One or two quests with inventive dialog and some scripting.

And Why later said:

However customarily we require quests with multiple possible endings for showcases, and I'd like to see something like a choice menu or an NPC AI package change somewhere so that I know you can work with the slightly more complex stuff too.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:32 pm

I finished my mod. It adds a quest, including dialogue, journal entries, two new NPC's, two new interior cells (Unknown Tomb and Llaala Ienith's hut), two changed exteriors (Grazelands 9,5 and Falensarano (both of them just added an entrance to the interiors)), 2 (simple) scripts and some items. All those things are needed for the quest. I cleaned it using TESAME and freed it using TESDTK (originally it required Morrowind, Tribunal, Bloodmoon and TR_Data, but now you only need Morrowind) but I removed it from the name (otherwise it would have been Clean Clean Clean Clean Clean Free Clean Clean Clean Clean Clean Jonaman8' Showcase). I tested it a couple of times, failure and accomplishment. I need someone who's main language is English to search for typos because it's not mine and this was only my first year English at school.

PS: What does bumping a file means because I've seen it on some showcases and I don't know what it means.

OTRaw · Post by **OTRaw** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:38 pm

Good luck

Jonaman8 wrote:(originally it requierd Morrowind, Tribunal, Bloodmoon and TR_Data, but now you only need Morrowind

Actually your showcase should be dependent on MW, tribunal and Bloodmoon, and it is recommended to use TR_Data as well.

PS: What means bumping a file, cause I've seen it on some showcases and I don't know what it means.

After a week if nobody has looked at your file you can make a post to get your showcase some attention.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:48 pm

Why does it have to depend on all the files, if it only needs morrowind and I only used morrowind things it is compatible with all the rest?

Edit: Added Tribunal, Bloodmoon and TR_Data to Master Files

PS: Ok OTRaw, I will edit in the future

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:51 pm

If somebody reviews it, don't be angered if I do not respond. It is because I leave tomorrow for ten days.

OTRaw · Post by **OTRaw** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:52 pm

Don't quote me on this but the expansions make significant code changes and remove some nasty GMSTs. (What are GMSTs? No idea, but they are bad :S)

Edit: Also it's much better to edit your posts instead of posting twice in a row in a short period of time.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:01 pm

GMST change some values of bloodmoon, like werewolf stats and makes playing the game as a werewolf much harder. For instance the skill sneak is set to 0 in stead of 90 when you're playing as a werewolf.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:15 pm

The Greatness · Post by **The Greatness** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:40 pm

If you tell me how and where to start the quest I'll have a look. I'm not sure if I have the ability to reccomend you for promotion yet, but I can give you full feedback.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:54 pm

Just go to Falensarano and enter Llaala Ienith's hut (you can go there by walking, if you have the master index you can go there by folms mirel (or whatever his name is) in the caldera mages guild or using the console, however I don't know how the console works because I don't have it). Talk to Llaala Ienith and the greetings, dialogues and quest entries will show the rest.

PS: Thanks that you want to test my mod.

The Greatness · Post by **The Greatness** » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:36 pm

Right, I've played through the quest. Before I begin I ought to mention you don't 'have' the console, to open press the key to the left of '1'. And I don't mind testing your showcase at all, it's no problem; people tested mine so I may as well do the same.

Right, down to my first review:
1. I caught a few misspellings and grammatical errors. There's nothing to bad but you should read through everything carefully. I'll list the mistakes:
-'take him back to me' should be 'bring him back to me'. It just makes more sense.
-You spelt 'entomed' instaid of 'entombed'- I know you can spell this because you spelt Unkown Tomb right, so you need to check carefully.
-'2 keys of it' would make more sense as '2 keys for it', and 'two' would be better than '2'.
-A journal entry reads 'I reported the dead of Tedril.' it should be 'I reported the death of Tedril.'
2. A lot of the dialogue is also too basic. For example, the first thing llaala says to you is simply 'Hello %PCRace, can you help me by saving my husband? His name is Tedril Ienith.' She sounds very calm about it, and about asking a stranger, and in general it isn't very believable. Other bits are better (like Tedril's greeting is very good), but you will need to make sure you can make consistently realistic dialogue.
3. The name of the quest isn't very clear. Call it something like 'Finding Tedril' or something like that that sets out the content of the quest, lets the player find it quickly and is a bit more interesting.
4. Why does Llaala ask you to pick the key up of the table, and why does she have two? Just make her give you the key. It's little things like this that make a quest much smoother and more enjoyable.
5.On a similar note, Llaana seems to know a lot about Unknown Tomb, but doesn't give you any directions or mark it on your map. I was lucky to stumble on it.
6.Llaala and Tedril could do with some better greetings and topic during the quest. They both use vanilla topics while being rescued from caves and waiting for their husbands return, and even after the quest Llaana and Tedril say very little for thanks.
7. It's not obvious how you're meant to complete the quest. My first expectation was to talk to Llaana as soon as I returned, but she failed to acknowledge Tedril's presence. Maybe Tedril could point you to Llaana, but you shouldn't have to talk to him first for her to respond.
8. The story doesn't make much sense. At the beginning it is said that Tedril went to Unknown Tomb to find some food, which in itself seems odd, and it is never explained why he thought there would be food there, why he suddenly left, and how he managed to get himself trapped in a room with an armada of skeletons outside.

However, the bigest problem is that this quest is too simple to get you promotion to TR. The quest is a little short and somewhat generic. Even if all the above problems where fized it still wouldn't be enough to get you promotion, so I would reccomend starting again. Begin by thinking carefully through your story, and thinking how you can use the story to showcase your skills.

This quest was almost entirely dialogue based, which would be fine if you had good dialogue with multiple endings and a solid story. On the other hand if you think you can make good scripts, show them off and make a few snazzy scripts we can admire. That's the essential point of a showcase, to show off what you can do and convince us that you should join TR, as well as learning the nessicary skills while doing it. Bear in mind also, that you don't need to make new interiors or anything, just use vanilla ones. Much easier.

I realise my review may sound rather negative, which it's not intended to be. The content you have made is fairly solid, and if the rather minor issues I listed above were fixed, we'd have a perfectly good miscalleunous quest. However, it's not enough to get promoted through and has a few faults. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing you're next attempt, just give us some more content, take into consideration my points above and you would do very well in the TR team. If you're not sure how big your quest needs to be look at some people who have been recently promoted like mine or alex25's. Also why not take a look at some tutorials if you really want to show off. Good luck and happy modding!

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:47 am

Thanks for the review.

I am now working on some scripts, and maybe I am going to make a little quest about it just to give the scripts a little bit more sense.

PS: I really don't have the console, I can press the button left to the 1 (which is in my case the button with Ã‚Â² and Ã‚Â³) as many times as I want, but the console doesn't show up. Maybe it is because my keyboard is azerty? I don't know.

The Greatness · Post by **The Greatness** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:19 am

Well the console button should be either ` or ~. Look for a button with those on.

Why · Post by **Why** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:49 pm

It's possible that, because Morrowind is an old game, it doesn't properly register some keys. My ~ key doesn't do anything on my laptop, but I used the key remapper and macro editor that come with the Morrowind Graphics Extender to make / open my console instead.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:54 pm

Jonaman, remind that i'll look for this tomorrow or monday. I have an azerty keyboard too, but I hven't access to MW right now. You may PM if I have forgotten this.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:36 pm

I use the Ã‚Â²/Ã‚Â³ (almost upper left) button for the console.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:46 pm

I know that I haven't posted a long time because I've been very busy. I wanted to let you know that I'm once again trying to get promoted. This time I'm making a quest to get Hopesfire and Trueflame upgraded through Vivec. You will have to gather some items, not guarded by monsters, but by items with scripts. I don't know if I should make another way for people who killed Vivec or kill him during the quest?

PS: I know how to activate the console, I have to disable a device, but the problem is: each time I shut down the PC, the device re-installs itself and I can't uninstall it myself because I don't have administrators rights on the PC.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:20 pm

I finished the mod. Just talk to Vivec about Almalexia and if you have both Hopesfire and Trueflame in your inventory, the quest will start. You have to travel a bit, but to make it faster, I made an interior cell called Jonaman8 Test Cell. This includes the three script objects so you can test them separate from the quest (I know they're floating, but that's so you can see them better :p), and three doors leading to Vivec's palace and two locations needed for the quest. You can travel there using the console. I know greetings need to be in Greeting 5, but they are in Greeting one because all Vivec's standard greetings are in Greeting 1. I tested the quest multiple times, but if I missed something or I can improve something, please tell me. It is cleaned with TESAME.

The Greatness · Post by **The Greatness** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:53 pm

I'll try and take a look at this soon. MSam's doing infernal's and I reviewed your last one so I'll review this soon hopefully. I'll see if I find time over the weekend.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:58 pm

Fine for me, just take your time.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:16 pm

How is the reviewing going? I forgot to order all the objects, if you want me to do so, I can fix that. The Strange Bed never spawned a werewolf while testing, so if it does, can you tell me if it works?

PoisonUnagi · Post by **PoisonUnagi** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:44 pm

I'll take a look at this after school, I don't have enough time just at the moment...

And Greatness, that's a bit hypocritical xD

OTRaw · Post by **OTRaw** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:28 pm

PoisonUnagi wrote:I'll take a look at this after school, I don't have enough time just at the moment...

And Greatness, that's a bit hypocritical xD

The_Greatness wrote:I'll try and take a look at this soon. MSam's doing infernal's and I reviewed your last one so I'll review this soon hopefully. I'll see if I find time over the weekend.

What's hypocritical?

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:06 pm

yeah, I don't quite get it either. None of this matters though if this showcase doesn't actually get a review. (Not that it really matters anyway)

PoisonUnagi · Post by **PoisonUnagi** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:04 am

OTRaw wrote:
PoisonUnagi wrote:I'll take a look at this after school, I don't have enough time just at the moment...

And Greatness, that's a bit hypocritical xD

The_Greatness wrote:I'll try and take a look at this soon. MSam's doing infernal's and I reviewed your last one so I'll review this soon hopefully. I'll see if I find time over the weekend.
What's hypocritical?

When you tell someone not to do something, then do it yourself.

(sorry about this going off-topic)

OTRaw · Post by **OTRaw** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:01 pm

I know what it means

I just wasn't sure what you were referring to.

Anyway Jonaman my offer still stands, all you need to do is ask

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:09 pm

Well, if you have nothing else to do, can you please review my showcase?

OTRaw · Post by **OTRaw** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:46 pm

Not a problem, tomorrow the latest, depending on how much time I have tonight.

MSam · Post by **MSam** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:19 am

Uh, PoisonUnagi, it's probably advantageous to everyone if you just kept any irrelevant snipes to yourself.

Jonaman8, I would have reviewed your quest, but I really don't think I'm in a position yet to assess anyone else's material since I'm only new to the project. The only reason I'm looking at Infernal's is because at the time you didn't have a file posted, and he hadn't received any replies (which I'm sure you know, feels pretty depressing). Again, sorry you've had to wait so long - but you're in good hands with OTRaw now.

OTRaw · Post by **OTRaw** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:14 pm

Good hands? Heh, I haven't even finished a claim yet

But I've done a couple of reviews so here it goes.

Clean: Squeaky
Dependencies: Perfect
Load Errors: None

Regarding greetings, I agree that it was the right thing to do.

I got my TR_Test skull, got my gear, COCed to the test cell and got stuck in a wall :/ Not a huge deal though.

So here's the problems I found.

1. "the Blade of Nerevar and its twin, Hopesfire" is a loooong topic, try to pick keywords and use them instead. Same with the journal name.
2. "I would read som sort of historical book"
3. lay his power into Hopesfire and Trueflame to make them eaven stronger
4. "made them stronger, faster and more energetic and hotter."
5. You forgot to say that they were made "harder, better, faster, stronger" (don't take that seriously

)
6. Your bed made a Bonewalker not a werewolf. I assume that the sword and bed were just to show scripting? They seemed to have no relevance to the quest.
7. "Thank you, I wanted that I could keep them myself, but you deserve them. Here you go."
8. "If that is what you want, come back when you changed your mind." I may be wrong but I think there should be a "have" between you and changed.
9. "How are they going allong?"

Not a huge amount to say on this one, the sword scripting was quite nice, as was the god's potion.

Ideally the quest should have two distinct endings, you probably want to show you understand the TR naming conventions and to fix the errors above.

So nice quest, a few grammar errors but mostly good. If I was you I would wait to see The_Greatness's review before re-submitting this, he's been doing it longer than me

The Greatness · Post by **The Greatness** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:40 pm

OTRaw wrote:So nice quest, a few grammar errors but mostly good. If I was you I would wait to see The_Greatness's review before re-submitting this, he's been doing it longer than me

Eh? So I have. I always thought you'd been here before me for some reason. I think I'm going nuts.

BTW, my name has no underscore. Just so you know.

I should be able to do some reviews now, part of the reason I wasn't doing any reviews was because my main character accidentaly caught Corprus (seriously). A weak excuse I know :/. But anyway, I'm sure we can trust your reviews, but if you want I'll look at further versions. The three strikes rule isn't set in stone for quests like it is for interiors, so you can probably go ahead and make another version if you want Jonaman.

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:38 pm

I will fix the errors. About the bed, it can spawn a werewolf. It can also spawn corprus beasts, atronach's and some other creatures. Yes, the scripts were just to show off. I don't know if you noticed, but if you Alchemy is 50 or higher, the effects of the Drink will really apply, without poison. What's not cleaned?

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:20 am

I think everything was clean. OTRaw mentioned it was "Squeaky" clean, which is to say "clean".

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:48 pm

Here's the new file, named everything, fixed some bugs you didn't see

, the grammatical errors, the long topics and the Test Cell. I don't see what's wrong with

"Thank you, I wanted that I could keep them myself, but you deserve them. Here you go."

I named all the objects, scripts, etc. with TR_SC_m0_q_0_name of object (Tamriel Rebuilt ShowCase map 0 claim 0) and the journal TR_SC_m0_Misc_TB (Tamriel Rebuilt ShowCase map 0 Misc quest Twin Blades).

Edit: Accidentaly typed quest instead of claim, now fixed.
Another Edit: Uploaded file: I wish I could keep them...
Yet another Edit: Typed these edits.

Post by **Haplo** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:47 pm

Jonaman8 wrote:I don't see what's wrong with
"Thank you, I wanted that I could keep them myself, but you deserve them. Here you go.".

That is improper grammar. I think you meant to use "wish" instead of "wanted".

Jonaman8 · Post by **Jonaman8** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:02 pm

Is someone reviewing this?