i3-679-Ind

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:57 pm

Claim type: Interior
Claim ID: TR_i3-679-Ind (#2438)
Faction: Indoril
Parent claim: TR_3-16-Ind (#120)
Claimed by: Bero
Status: Approved (Progress: 100%)
Location: 1:(2959, -3954):0
Files: TR_i3-679-Ind_Andres Indoril_1.esp; TR_i3-679-Ind_Bero_1.esp; TR_i3-679-Ind_Bero_2.esp; TR_i3-679-Ind_Thrignar Fraxix_1.esp

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[23,-30] Almalexia, Triffith Sandil Plaza. Guild of Fighters.

Download the exterior from Detailing A6.

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:59 pm

Unlocking.

nick9999 · Post by **nick9999** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:44 pm

Hi, I am interested to claim this. I just wanted to ask if the int should look like this:

[url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10975916/Tr%20Ind%20679.png[/url]

Edit Exterior:

[url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10975916/Tr%20Ind%20679%20ex.png[/url]

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:42 pm

That's the correct shell size, but can you make the interior layout more interesting than 4 flat floors? I'm thinking open indoor areas, botanical gardens, atriums, balconies etc are the order of the day. Can you work something like that out? I'd like to know this before I grant you this claim.

The Almalexia guilds are the head guilds for the province, they need to be at least fairly interesting.

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:40 pm

It's hard to do but possible. You need to know and use some exterior objects.

i3-13-ind is a good reference.

nick9999 · Post by **nick9999** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:00 pm

How about somethink like this?

The Greatness · Post by **The Greatness** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:43 pm

Hmm. The open area is quite nice, but it could do with a railing around it. I would also replace the current railing with stairs up to the stone, and an indoril floor might be better than the stone if that's possible. I would also move the stairs to the second and the stairs to the first floor leave a very odd thin bit that the player is expected to walk across. Maybe change them so they are facing the other way? Overall though, I think it has a very good look to it.

Have you considered what you are going to do with the top two floors? I thought they would be the head of the Morrowind FG's quarters, but if you go along with that idea make sure there is a door somewhere to be locked. Also, I would consider adding a basement because if the upper levels is the head's office the fighters would have nowhere to sleep.

Why · Post by **Why** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:03 pm

To be perfectly honest with you, I think it looks rather silly. All the grey stone blocks look rather ugly together, in an interior. If you want something like that, perhaps consider placing it in the direction of the tiles rather than 45 degrees askew so that you need less of those. I love the idea of a two-floors-high area though, with balconies where one can look down on the people below. If you need some inspiration you can download Yeti's Council Chamber claim, it has some awesome places like that.

And as TG said, maybe an underground dormitory/smithy would be a good idea.

The Greatness · Post by **The Greatness** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:09 pm

Me and Scamp had a chat on IRC, and I reckon it would be possible to using Indoril floor pieces to make the 45 degree bit. You could use one floor bit, one upside-down floor bit to be the ceiling and apparently there is an edge piece specifically for this. Why not try that and give it a railing?

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:16 pm

I was thinking it might look good if the front third or so of the interior only had the ground floor as a large atrium, perhaps with some indoor gardens/planters either side of the entrance, and a grand staircase leading up to the 1st floor mezzanine?

nick9999 · Post by **nick9999** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:35 pm

This Better?

Why · Post by **Why** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:28 pm

Slightly, though I still don't like the horizontal walls and the small path between the stairs definitely needs to be wider. I can't help but feel it all looks extremely makeshifted. As I said, consider making the balconies straight instead of 45 degrees sideways and take a look at yeti's council house file.

Yeti · Post by **Yeti** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:16 pm

Thank's for the complements Why

and feel free to take a look at how I handled my balconies, Nick9999. They took a little patience putting together but were worth it.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:37 pm

Claiming. I promise that if I will not finish this, I will at least give a spiffy enough WIP file.

The ground floor will go a bit into the ground and there will be a 3x3 hole in the upper floor from which the players can see the ground floor and such. The upper floor will also include the majority of the services (blacksmiths and free beds), while the trainers would probably be on the lower floor.

The tower will be 4x4x3, to match the height of the thing. I will makeshift it nicely enough for the windows to still be middled. The tower will then include the head of the Fighters Guild, who will get the last two floors to himself (that will be two floors high actually, so you might consider it one floor, while the lowest floor of the tower will include the guild steward or whatever. You know, the guy who gives the lower-ranked quests.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:53 pm

Impatience demands that I show you my shell.

The Greatness · Post by **The Greatness** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:23 pm

I love the main hall, especially the way you have the steps leading into the middle. I don't really think the tower is that big though, and I feel the guild master would want to get to his tower by stairs and not a ladder.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:29 pm

Taking the exterior of this, it is impossible to use stairs for all the way up to the tip of the tower, so I thought I might as well use ladders, since those can be used without having to muck up everything else. On the side of the tower being too large, I just made it in proportion to the base of the building.

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:42 pm

Something Something Granted. Hooray!

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:52 pm

Revoke please.

I would appreciate if the WIP was used by the next claimer. At least for the great hall.

Katze · Post by **Katze** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:16 am

Revoking, sad times.

michaleson · Post by **michaleson** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:03 pm

Is the shell on this compleate?

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:52 pm

Yeah.

And a good one if I may say so myself.

MSam · Post by **MSam** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:13 am

Hey, I know you had to drop out of this, but the work you've done looks phenomenal!

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:03 am

Thank you.

I just had no exact idea on how to fill up the great hall, so I thought I would give it to someone who is better with clutter.

Bero · Post by **Bero** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:24 am

Huh nice, I'm thinking about claiming this but it looks like hell of a work and it definitely needs underground

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:15 am

...Underground?

There are certainly enough rooms above the Great Hall to fit everyone that the place needs. D:

Bero · Post by **Bero** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:41 am

Thruth, but I was thinking about kitchen, dining room, smith, storage.
Well if I think about it now there will be 3 room for members left. So yeah you are right

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Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:57 am

I do not see any need for a kitchen or a dining room, taking the number of taverns and the like in the area, to be honest... o.O

The Imperial guilds usually do not attend their members every need, do they?

Bero · Post by **Bero** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:50 pm

No, but there was something like that in Oblivion. And I meant something like Ald'ruhn (well there is not kitchen but nevermind)

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:19 pm

One of the four platforms in the great hall could in theory be set up to have a dining area.

Why · Post by **Why** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:06 pm

I kinda like not having a kitchen/dining area here, it reinforces the feel that these guys are a bunch of Spartan mercenaries. A small smithy would be nice, but that can easily fit in one of the rooms upstairs. Ideally those rooms aren't full blown houses by the way, just places containing bunk beds for the members currently at the guild, like in the vanilla guilds. A small storage could easily fit into one of those rooms as well, but if it can't, storages are kinda dull anyway so I see no problem in not having one.

Bero · Post by **Bero** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:56 pm

In almost every vanilla guild at least small dining area.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:16 pm

Well, Bero, I would quite like it if you were not the one to claim this. Nothing against you, but against your modding style seems to produce more errors than mine, and as this is quite a large interior, that could be a problem.

I had already made one of the upper rooms with a smithy in mind. The one right ahead of the player when getting up the stairs.

Bero · Post by **Bero** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:26 pm

Nevermind...

blackbird · Post by **blackbird** » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:59 pm

I have noticed the furn is com and not de.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:00 am

It is the main hall of an Imperial guild. I think com is appropriate.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:26 am

Not in almalexia it isn't I wouldn't say. I mean, you didn't do that in the mages guild did you?

Also, I must have missed when we decided to let modders bar others from taking claims. Bero can claim this if he wants, though the raised concerns about size and space usage do need to be addressed.

Bero · Post by **Bero** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:06 am

Well in that case I'm going to claim this. And Andres can be first to review it.
And so I will use de_r/de_rm and I will also use Andres's shell if its ok.

Post by **Haplo** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:31 am

Granting. Using Andres' shell is fine.

Andres Indoril · Post by **Andres Indoril** » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:27 am

I was not saying I have any continued interest in the claim, just that I find Bero's modding style to be a bit rubbish. Oh well, it is not like I will have to review this anyway.