Redoran affluent house showcase.

zhukant · Post by **zhukant** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:02 am

Thanks for looking at this.

A couple notes:
It does not correspond to an exterior because many Redoran interiors don't have one, such as the mansions in the Emperor Crab in Ald'Ruhn.

The cell is called TR_i6_17_RED, but this doesn't mean anything. I was just practicing naming the cell, as the tutorial suggested.

I have no experience actually posting showcases, so my apologies if it doesn't have that nice little box with all the info or parts of it are missing. I have no idea about this, so here goes.

I look forward to you comments, and thank you again for your time!

Peterboy · Post by **Peterboy** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:16 am

Hy Zhukant, and welcome to TR

First your file is dependant on the TR_Map1 and TR_Map2.esm, please make it only dependent on the vanilla esms(Morrowind, Bloodmoon, Tribunal) and the TR_Data.
You can clean it with TESDTK.

So I cannot open it in the CS, cause I don't have the map 1 and 2 esms... but I looked in TESAME and your file looks clean, and that's good

zhukant · Post by **zhukant** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:45 am

Hopefully I was able to use the utility correctly! It is very simple, or so it seems, but you never knowÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

Thank you for taking a look so quickly!

I was expecting to wait much longer.

Update: I didn't realize that I had to use de_p. There is a shelf in the medium room with books on it that had to be carefully rotated to match the wall, and the books in the large room had to be rotated as well. If this is not enough, I will make a smaller showcase with de_p. Please advise

SamirA · Post by **SamirA** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:14 pm

It doesn't HAVE to be de_p, but it is basically a rule of thumb because the entire idea is to see if you can rotate things properly to match surfaces. If your showcase shows this ability through means other than matching to de_p then it can fulfill the requirements.

Peterboy · Post by **Peterboy** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:34 pm

I am no reviewer, so I just looked through your int quickly, to give some advice

What I found:

light_de_lamp_03_128 x12 floating
light_de_lamp_01_128 x8 bleeding into the floor and sometimes into the wall too

Many books are floating or bleeding

Ante-room:

misc_de_goblet_06 x6 floating
misc_de_bowl_01 x5 could use a bit more rotating, to look natural
Furn_De_R_Bookshelf_02 x1 floating
light_de_candle_08_64 x1 bleeding into the glass and into the table

Big room:

misc_de_bowl_bugdesign_01 x2 lower it a little bit into the shelf, becuse the bowl's bottom is pointy
misc_de_foldedcloth00 x2 floating
TR_sc_blank_scroll x1 bleeding into the other two
light_de_candle_07_64 x1 floating
com_basket_01_chpfood5 x1 bleeding into the urn, and the urns are bleeding into each other too
com_sack_02_pos x2 sacks should be lowered into the ground too, because of the pointy bottom
extravagant_shoes_01, expensive_robe_02, expensive_robe_03 floating hit the f more than once
furn_de_r_chair_03 x1 bleeding into the rug

Small room:

misc_de_bowl_bugdesign_01 x2 lower it a little bit into the shelf, becuse the bowl's bottom is pointy
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Overall it is not a bad int, but it needs more detail, the rugs could be rotated (just 1-5 degree feels more natural), and definietly more tapestry (and they should be closer to the wall)
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Again, this is not a review, I just looked through realy quick.

zhukant · Post by **zhukant** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:33 pm

Peterboy wrote:I am no reviewer

Sounds like you wouldn't be half-bad! Have you considered applying?

By the way, what does it mean when you put x4 after the object name? Thanks!

SamirA · Post by **SamirA** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:55 pm

Peterboy, you do not have to be a reviewer to review a showcase. As such this probably should count as a review, but I'll leave that for TF to specify.

zhukant, x4 simply means that whatever item was listed occurred four times in your file and needs to be fixed that many times.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:58 pm

yeah, reviewing a showcase is fine if you aren't a reviewer. We prefer that you know what you are doing though , which peterboy does.

zhukant · Post by **zhukant** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:06 pm

Thanks again for the technical review!

I was wondering if I could also get a little feedback on the more big-picture aspects - do I have enough clutter? Is it too plain and boring? Enough lighting? Other comments?

Peterboy · Post by **Peterboy** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:09 pm

As I said in in my review (as Samir and TF pointed out), it needs more detail and clutter. It feels very bare, and I think the lighting is good. It's a bit big for a showcase in my opinion, but that's not a problem.

Scamp · Post by **Scamp** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:30 pm

I don't really get how you can come to the conclusion that this needs more clutter. Just saying.

Peterboy · Post by **Peterboy** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:42 pm

It feels bare to me... atleast more tapestries and some rugs.

zhukant · Post by **zhukant** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:07 am

The extravagant shoes have a really weird mesh - I had to make them bleed quite a bit in the front to get the back to touch the drawer thing, otherwise you can see inside of them.

Note the new servant room with the de_p furniture

This is the last upload! Hope it's perfect, haha

Peterboy · Post by **Peterboy** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:02 am

Overall: Look through your urns and baskets and other containers again. Many are bleeding into the others.

misc_de_bowl_01x4 bleeding into the table horribly
furn_de_r_wallscreen_02 x2 bleeding into the ground

Servant room:

Stylemixing Alarm! The com_wood items and the light_com_candle_04 is maybe acceptable, but the light_com_candle_05_64, and theexpensive_shirt_01_a (it's a ashlander clothing item) absolutly no-no.

Despite this little blooper the int is fine, the poor furniture is handled well, and I see you could fix everything.

Through and through I think you can be recommended for interior promotion

zhukant · Post by **zhukant** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:29 am

Thank you!

I appreciate this!

I kind of want to make a Daedric shrine now

P.S. About the bowls - earlier you recommended that I sink them into the surface because of their pointy end. Was that too much, then? What's a good amount?

RelinQ · Post by **RelinQ** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:31 am

Haven't had a look at your work myself yet, but Congratulations!

zhukant · Post by **zhukant** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:39 am

I just realized something - I think I have mesh packs installed which might make some of my objects (such as urns and baskets) rounder. In my CS they aren't bleeding into each other at all, which would explain this inconsistency. This may also explain why I chose to sink the bowls into the bookshelves that particular amount.

About the servant's room - are there super crappy dishes that the poorest redoran people use? I had trouble finding precedents for something like that, hence my blundering style mixing.

Peterboy · Post by **Peterboy** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:59 pm

The bugdesign bowl should be sinked, and I don't remember wich one too. You cna look at the CS.

The misc_de_bowl_01 is the blue ceramic bowl, wich has a matching pitcher

Sometimes you used the correctly, but on a table in the ante-room they are very noticably bleeding.

Well a mesh replacer can absolutly explains many things

I would recommend not to use them while modding for TR.

Thrignar Fraxix · Post by **Thrignar Fraxix** » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:02 pm

Naming convention is close enough on the cell name.
Though your entire int doesn't have to use de_p, you do need to have enough furniture with uneven surfaces. (and things put on those surfaces) One small table is not enough.

Working from the entrance:
Vary your rotation more on bottles, it feels like they all roughly face the same way even though they have varying rotations.
Blue lights or normal lights, you need to pick one. It looks rather strange having both.
Bottle on the de_p table floats on one end
de_r_chest_01 faces the wall, hinges should face the wall
pillows should bleed slightly
wallscreens bleed slightly into the floor
light_com_candle_05_64 is a nono. there are plenty of de candles
You should totally replace the wood things in the servant room with stoneware from TR_Data.
Nordic longsword and proverb book in a redoran manor?

previously reported non-errors:
the misc_de_bowl_01 is not a bowl with a point tip so it doesn't have to be sunk. I do think though that you sunk it in a way that looks natural and adds a bit of variation.

If you choose to fix this int, you will need more de_p furniture.

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Redoran affluent house showcase.

Redoran affluent house showcase.

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